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Posted: 21 February 2021 at 6:44pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

I used to jot down Radio & Records pop & AC peaks back in the day - for songs I like. Of course, the Whitburn R&R Pop book has come out since then. I was wondering, with all the chart enthusiasts here - has anyone created a database for Radio & Records AC peaks? Or is there a website where I can find this info?
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Posted: 22 February 2021 at 4:57am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Gordon, I'm not aware of any source for that particular chart info. I'd love to
research those other R&R charts some day.
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Posted: 22 February 2021 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

Hi Paul.

Any chance Joel and you might be updating the
Billboard AC & Hot AC chart book?

Believe it or not, the Hot AC Chart has the most
relevance to me as the broad appeal pop chart as the
programmers of Hot AC stations don't seem to want to
push turkeys up the chart because they seem to like
records with staying power. Just my observation, of
course.

I also wouldn't mind a first Rhythmic Top-40 chart
book!

Andy

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Posted: 22 February 2021 at 8:22am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Andy, I'm hoping that we get the Billboard AC book updated sometime this year. It's long overdue.

No plans for the Rhythmic Top 40 charts at this time.
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Paul Haney wrote:
Andy, I'm hoping that we get the Billboard AC book
updated sometime this year. It's long overdue.

No plans for the Rhythmic Top 40 charts at this time.


Yay! Can I request that the new edition includes both Writers and B-Sides? The
last version had the writers and the one before the B-Sides so if possible can
they both appear? The page size (if it goes to the greater size of the Rock
book etc) would take it well I think.
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Paul,

1) Is the 2010-2019 Billboard Chart book coming out, to stay consistent with the other decade books? If not, will it come out as a PDF disc?
2) Is the Top Pop Singles coming out this year covering from 1955-1989 and 1990-2020? I would think that the first book can come out anytime since those positions wont change...

Thanks in advance for answering...

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I remember asking Paul recently about the BB decades book for the 10's and he said it would only cover 2010 to sometime in 2014. It would stop when the Hot 100 was spready out over 3 pages instead of 1. As soon as BB started doing that, I always wondered how Rec Research would handle the decade book. It's a shame we'd get less than 50% of the decade. But it also isn't effective cost-wise to cover 3 pages for 1 chart.
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Posted: 23 February 2021 at 2:54am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

PopArchivist wrote:
Paul,

1) Is the 2010-2019 Billboard Chart book coming out, to stay consistent with the other decade
books? If not, will it come out as a PDF disc?
2) Is the Top Pop Singles coming out this year covering from 1955-1989 and 1990-2020? I would
think that the first book can come out anytime since those positions wont change...

Thanks in advance for answering...


1) We are working on the chart book for the previous decade. It will be 2 volumes. We'll
start with 2010-2014 (five full years), then follow-up with 2015-2019. As Gordon mentioned,
the chart eventually spread out to 3 pages, that's why we have to split it up.

2) We are working on the Top Pop 1955-1989 volume now. It's A LOT of work, but we hope to
have an official announcement coming around April or so.

Please keep in mind that our company is basically down to a two man operation in the office.
We have to take care of every aspect of the business, not just the actual books themselves.
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What did I miss? Top Pop Singles is splitting into 2 volumes?!?
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Another AC chart related question: Besides Billboard and R&R, didn't either Cashbox or Record World have an AC chart (in the 70s and 80s)?
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Posted: 24 February 2021 at 5:45pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Or maybe Hits Magazine had an AC chart?
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Posted: 25 February 2021 at 8:52am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

EdisonLite wrote:
Another AC chart related question:
Besides Billboard and R&R, didn't either Cashbox or Record
World have an AC chart (in the 70s and 80s)?


Record World had one (they ceased publishing in April
1982), Cash Box did not.
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Posted: 25 February 2021 at 7:37pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Thanks Paul. And does anyone know what years Hits Magazine had a top 40 chart? (and were there other charts?)
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Posted: 26 February 2021 at 4:54am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

I remember when Hits magazine first came out in August 1986. I may have bought a few issues, but never really payed
much attention to their charts.
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Paul Haney wrote:
As Gordon mentioned,
the chart eventually spread out to 3 pages, that's why
we have to split it up.


Sorry for a dumb question, but it's been quite a while
since I've paid much attention to the Hot 100, what do
you mean by "spread out to 3 pages", and how does that
affect the book?
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Posted: 26 February 2021 at 3:21pm | IP Logged Quote cmmmbase

The hot 100 runs 3 pages long in current
issues of Billboard.
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Paul Haney wrote:
2) We are working on the Top Pop 1955-1989 volume now.


I do like the idea. Plus the 1955-1989 once done does not need any updating. In a way its easier to put out the 1990-202x every few years while keeping the first book in print.

As for the annual, I would love to see you do an all encompassing one from 1900-2020 the next time you publish. I know youve done the 1940-1955, but I would love official rankings of the 1900-1939 hits, which were left out of the recently redone book you did. I know you tried doing it in the century book, this would just be expanding the idea a little bit....


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Back to original topic - AC.

Cashbox never published an AC chart. Record World
published one first from 2/4/67 to 4/1/72 under
various titles such as Non-Rock and MOR. They revived
the chart on 2/16/80 and it continued until the
magazine ceased publication with the 4/10/82 issue.

R&R published its first AC chart on 2/22/74 and Hot AC
chart on 4/22/94 which both continued until R&R ended
in 2009...or 2006. (To me, once Billboard took over,
it was R&R in name only. The charts were
Billboard's.)

If/When the AC book is ever updated, I would love to
see the Record World and R&R AC chart data included.
(Hint to Paul!)
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Thanks for the info. And I like your hint to Paul. I've mentioned to him I'd like to see an R&R AC book. But I know he's working on trying to get an updated Billboard AC book out, as the last one was 15 years ago in 2006. (But it would be cool if you could combine R&R and RW AC charts, like you've done for Pop, Paul, as Jake (Scanner) suggests :)

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PopArchivist wrote:
but I would love official
rankings of the 1900-1939 hits, which were left out of
the recently redone book you did.

There were no official charts prior to Billboard's
first Best Selling Retail Records 7/27/40. Even though
Billboard published their Record Buying Guide since
1938, it in no way resembled typical charts with
definite rankings by artist and song. Merely a listing
of popular tunes.

The chart data found in Pop Memories 1900-1940 is a
guestimate at best, fiction at worst. No way anyone
can derive those exact numbers (and listing of
recordings) based on undisputable sources. Edward
Foote Gardner's "Popular Songs of the Twentieth
Century - Volume I" creates monthly charts of top
tunes (much like the Billboard Record Buying Guide)
for comparison but again these are guestimates. I own
both books and sometimes thumb through them for
entertainment purposes. The research scholar in me
knows the data is definitely not official.

Edited by Chartman on 01 March 2021 at 10:44am
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