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on “The Next Voice You Hear The Best Of Jackson Browne” and several other CDs it’s indicated as the 45 version running approx. 4:54. On “Very Best Of” it’s the 45 version running 4:47. Pop Annual states 4:43 as the 45 timing. Is Pop Annual incorrect, or is it a 45 mislabeling, or are the 4:54 versions longer (if so, where...I figure crowd fade)? Hope it's not a speed thing again....
Edited by davidclark on 11 May 2006 at 1:30pm
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it's just an early fade to 4:49.........would you like an mp3 of the 45 for your review??
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My commercial 45 has a listed time of (4:43), but an actual time of (4:51). My 45's deadwax info is "ES-45460-A SP".
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Okay, here's an interesting situation I haven't yet seen brought up anywhere on this forum... According to my research, Jackson Browne's first six album releases on the Asylum label (which includes Saturate Before Using, For Everyman, Late for the Sky, The Pretender, Running on Empty, and Hold Out) were first issued on CD in the '80s and then later remastered in the late '90s. All pressings of each album look identical on the outside and even share the same catalog numbers. Unless there's a "digitally remastered from the original master tapes" sticker on the front (which would appear only on unopened, factory sealed copies), the only way to tell the difference between an original and a remastered pressing is by looking at the hub of the CD itself. If there's an "RE-2" etched among the matrix numbers, then it's a remastered CD. If no "RE-2", then it's an original pressing.
I recently picked up an original pressing of Running on Empty and made a direct audio comparison to my remastered copy. The title track runs 5:30 and tracks into the next selection on both pressings. Yet much to my surprise, I've discovered there is reverb added throughout the song on the original pressing, yet clearly sounds more "dry" on the remastered pressing! The difference can most noticeably be heard on the snare drum strikes.
So this then boils down to one important question: Is the commercial vinyl 45 and LP version of "Running on Empty" with or without the added reverb? In other words, which CD pressing contains the correct mix?
Edited by Todd Ireland on 16 April 2013 at 8:32pm
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I was curious to see which version i had stored on my
PC..because i since sold the parent album it came from.
Well, my copy is definitely "dry" - i don't hear added
reverb, it sounds "up close, on stage".
But- don't ask me where i ripped it from now - it runs
4:17 and has full cold ending with applause.
If i read correctly, the 45 is merely an early fade of
the LP and is much longer than this.
I don't recall ever editing this song for myself (i've
been known to make my own custom edits) but i don't
recall touching this song ever. [cue "Twilight Zone"
theme).
As for the re-masters, i'd hope they didn't pull a "ZZ
Top" and remix the re-issues. The "80's reverb" they
added to the ZZ Top 70's albums is horrific.
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MMathews wrote:
But- don't ask me where i ripped it from now - it runs
4:17 and has full cold ending with applause.
If i read correctly, the 45 is merely an early fade of
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Well, it's not a promo edit. I checked my copy and both
the mono & stereo sides agree with Jim's timings.
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MMathews wrote:
I was curious to see which version i had stored on my PC..because i since sold the parent album it came from. Well, my copy is definitely "dry" - i don't hear added reverb, it sounds "up close, on stage".
But- don't ask me where i ripped it from now - it runs 4:17 and has full cold ending with applause. |
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Mark, are you sure your copy of "Running on Empty" runs 4:17? I ask because this doesn't match up with the length of either the 45 or LP version. I should also clarify that I'm basing my run time of 5:30 on the total CD track time which includes :30 of audience chatter at the beginning and the applause at the end, rather than strictly going by the song's actual playing time.
MMathews wrote:
As for the re-masters, i'd hope they didn't pull a "ZZ Top" and remix the re-issues. The "80's reverb" they added to the ZZ Top 70's albums is horrific.
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Funny you should mention this because I bought ZZ Top's Eliminator on CD for the first time just last week and I suspect my copy may be remastered because the audio levels are definitely louder and more compressed compared to that of the band's follow-up CD Afterburner which I bought back in the mid-'90s. When I get a chance hopefully sometime in the near future, I'll report back in the appropriate thread with all the specifics.
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I checked my "Running on Empty" on CD and it's 4:47. I took this from the "Very Best Of" Rhino CD, and it started at the song (no 30 seconds of audience applause/chatter). I can't recall if I faded the applause ending a bit early. So you're 4:17 version, Mark, must be missing part of the song.
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Oh, yes, i didn't mean to confuse the issue of the true
vinyl and cd releases. My 4:17 must be a custom edit -
i was saying the scary thing is i don't recall editing it
myself, so i was puzzled as to where i got it. When i
have time i will compare it to a real cd LP version and
see what was edited.
The ZZtop remasters were the fist 6 albums from '73 -
'79. They remixed them with different panning and 80's
style reverb added to the 70's songs. If you have "The
Best Of ZZ Top" on Warner, they used the remixed versions
of "La Grange" And "Tush". But yes, that's for another
thread.
Sorry for the confusion...i guess i'll have to figure out
where i got this "Running On Empty" custom edit from!
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OK
Not important to anyone but me - but i at last figured
out where my custom edit came from. I got it years ago
from a friend. I simply ripped it from his cdr because
it sounded good. Back then i was just trying to get
good mp3 library going.
The edit, btw, used the 45 version, and removed 30 secs
of the ending guitar solo from 4:00 - 4:29. It's so
seamless it could have been recorded that way.
And, it's been so long i had forgotten the 30 seconds of
"quiet audience chatter" before the song starts on the
LP.
I also notice that while the "Running On Empty" album is
available on I-tunes, you can no longer purchase the LP
version. They replaced it with the 45 version, and it
does not track into the next song.
I've encountered "revisionist" album re-issues like this
before, and i find it very irritating. It's not that in
this case i can't live without those quiet 30 secs of
intro, but if i am a customer purchasing an album i once
owned on vinyl or CD, i expect to get the same album. I
doubt i'm alone in that.
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Todd, have you found any other remixes or running times differences of top 40 hits on the other 5 remastered Jackson Browne cd's?
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Pat:
The only other Jackson Browne CD in which I currently own both an original and remastered pressing is The Pretender. Since there aren't any Top 40 hits on For Everyman or Late for the Sky, I figure we don't really have to worry about seeking those CD pressings for database purposes (though I imagine some forum readers might still be interested in any information regarding possible remixes on these discs since both are considered classic Jackson Browne albums). I presently only have a remastered copy of Hold Out but am on the lookout right now for an original pressing.
There was one Top 40 hit on The Pretender album ("Here Come Those Tears Again"). As soon as I get a chance to compare the two CD pressings, I'll post my findings in the appropriate thread.
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Okay, I've now listened to "Running on Empty" as it appears on a parent vinyl LP copy posted on YouTube. To my ears, it sounds like the dry mix on the remastered CD pressing.
"Running on Empty" from vinyl LP
Now if anyone who has a commercial 45 copy of "Running on Empty" who can report whether it also has the dry mix or contains the added reverb, this would pretty much put this case to rest!
Edited by Todd Ireland on 16 April 2013 at 8:35pm
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I'm almost embarrassed to ask this, but...
Are all versions of this song live? I was genuinely surprised to hear applause at the end of all the versions I have on the hard drive. The song was a hit about 8 or 9 months before I started listening to the radio, so it wasn't pounded into my head like everything from 1979 onward.
Edited by crapfromthepast on 20 May 2015 at 6:59am
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I've only ever heard the live recording, and Wikipedia (as unreliable as it may be) confirms that the album by the same name contains many live concert recordings, all of which had never previously been released on a studio album.
Edited by aaronk on 19 May 2015 at 8:43pm
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Yep, the concept of the album was devoted to life on the road, so Browne recorded the entire album while on tour. Songs were recorded on stage, while others were recorded backstage, in hotel rooms, etc.
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