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AndrewChouffi 
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 Topic: Sergio Mendes & Brasil ’66 - Fool On ThePosted: 29 June 2020 at 6:03am |
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Hi everyone,
Anyone out there know of any stereo source of "Fool On The Hill" that is not encoded with the Haeco-CSG system? I seem to recall the original vinyl LP was CSG encoded and every subsequent compilation contained this murky stereo version. If no one knows of a domestic or import source of this hit, has anyone out there used software to simulate the removal of the phase errors the CSG system introduces? Thank you! Andy |
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MPH711
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Posted: 29 June 2020 at 3:45pm |
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MixerRog on the Both Sides Now board has removed CGS
from a number of tracks. He did give me the song to give you. I'll send it to you to check it out. Mike |
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Posted: 29 June 2020 at 8:45pm |
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If you get the Audacity program and also download the
free PhaseBug VST plug-in for it, you can remove all CSG processing by rotating the left or right channel by plus or minus 90 degrees (typically). Edited by LunarLaugh |
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Posted: 29 June 2020 at 8:46pm |
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This is what the results will sound like when you remove
the processing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scA- Ta1Equg&feature=emb_title |
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Posted: 30 June 2020 at 8:58am |
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Thanks for the information everybody!
Andy |
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I went to youtube and listened to the "Processing
removed" track. Then I went to a couple other places and listened to ones that were dubbed direct from the vinyl. Am I so untrained that I don't particularly hear distortion or "Muddiness" in the other tracks? What I did seem to perceive was a change in position for instruments and vocals. As a Beatles and Mendes fan, I have become accustomed to hearing, (Or, in this case not hearing much in the middle.) Sort of like a dead zone in the middle of the channels. Is this what the Haeco-CSG processing was all about? The "Process removed" version seems to have more going on in the middle. Especially, the female lead sounds more in the middle. |
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Posted: 26 July 2020 at 7:28am |
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Yes, AdvprosD, that is what I meant by
"murky" or "muddy" - as in "not clear or not focused". The center-channel info in a Haeco-CSG processesed stereo track is partially out-of-phase and annoyingly out-of-focus. Andy Edited by AndrewChouffi |
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