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Posted: 19 September 2019 at 7:16pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The stock 45 for "Troglodyte (Cave Man)" by Jimmy Castor Bunch is mono, has a printed time of 3:24, and runs an actual 3:23. The mono version on the 45 is a simple fold-down of the stereo mix found on CD. The 45 opens with "what we're gonna do right here is go back..." The LP version has some additional banter for the first 0:13.

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Posted: 18 September 2020 at 9:28pm | IP Logged Quote AdvprosD

I've never heard the LP Version, until tonight.

I picked out a "One Hit Wonders" disc to listen to and noted the extra talk at the beginning.

Speaking of the mono version, which might also be kicking around here somewhere, Is there a "Complex" fold-down? Usually, when I read about mono versions, folks frequently say "Simple Fold Down."
Is there a more complex method to creating a mono version? I'm guessing at this point, a simple fold-down is a 2 channel potted to center on both sides?

I'll take my answer off the air, Thanks!

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Posted: 18 September 2020 at 11:42pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

That’s an excellent question. Is there a complex fold-down? Actually,
no, I don’t think so. Perhaps I got in the habit of calling it a “simple fold
down” instead of saying “simply a fold down” or “an easy-to-replicate
fold down.” I guess it’s redundant in any case. A fold down means
taking both channels of the stereo version and summing them together
with equal volume so that it becomes mono. As far as I can tell, pretty
much all fold-downs used for mono singles are an equal amount of the
left and right channels.

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Posted: 19 September 2020 at 6:35am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

Well, back in the late '60s & early '70s Atlantic
Records occasionally did a fold-down using that Haeco-
CSG System to prevent the center-channel from getting
too loud in the mono blend.

Probably some other labels did that on some mono
versions...

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Posted: 21 September 2020 at 8:07am | IP Logged Quote AdvprosD

AndrewChouffi wrote:
Well, back in the late '60s & early '70s Atlantic
Records occasionally did a fold-down using that Haeco-
CSG System to prevent the center-channel from getting
too loud in the mono blend.

Probably some other labels did that on some mono
versions...

Andy


I read about that process somewhere else on the chat board. I think it involved an A&M release of a Sergio Mendes & Brasil '66 album. Thanks to the wonder of digital editing and mixing, the process of Haeco-CSG,
can be removed from those old recordings. I tried to listen to a side by side of "Fool On The Hill," but didn't notice all the differences. The "Removed" version did sound a lot more natural though.

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