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Posted: 17 November 2018 at 11:10am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

Paul,

Now that Record Research is seriously researching properties other than Billboard, I
have been giving the situation a lot of thought. I know - based on your comments -
that RR has been going through a few challenges and is stripped down staff-wise.
Reaching a bigger audience would certainly help in the short term.

I am not certain about procedures - or the cost of licensing - but have you ever
considered an Official UK Pop chart book, for sale primarily abroad?   Having lived
there a few years ago, I can attest to the fact that the British - across all demos - are
FAR more "Chart Addicted" than their American counterparts.

With Joel's reputation for being the world's predominant chart authority, I can't
imagine a book in the vein of "Top Pop Singles" would not generate major interest in
Europe - and here, too. For 19 editions, Guinness published the "British Hit Singles"
books, but one hasn't been out since 2006, so I know there must be pent up hunger
there.

Just a thought!
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Posted: 18 November 2018 at 9:04am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

To be honest, Joel has little to no interest in the UK
charts, or any foreign charts for that matter. So, I
don't see us ever delving into those.
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Posted: 18 November 2018 at 11:11am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

Ah, I see - fair enough.
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Posted: 18 November 2018 at 2:16pm | IP Logged Quote RoknRobnLoxley

jebsib wrote:
Paul,

Now that Record Research is seriously researching properties other than Billboard, I
have been giving the situation a lot of thought. I know - based on your comments -
that RR has been going through a few challenges and is stripped down staff-wise.
Reaching a bigger audience would certainly help in the short term.

I am not certain about procedures - or the cost of licensing - but have you ever
considered an Official UK Pop chart book, for sale primarily abroad?   Having lived
there a few years ago, I can attest to the fact that the British - across all demos - are
FAR more "Chart Addicted" than their American counterparts.

With Joel's reputation for being the world's predominant chart authority, I can't
imagine a book in the vein of "Top Pop Singles" would not generate major interest in
Europe - and here, too. For 19 editions, Guinness published the "British Hit Singles"
books, but one hasn't been out since 2006, so I know there must be pent up hunger
there.

Just a thought!

FYI, towards the end of the Guinness book run, the Official Charts Co (OCC) was licensing themselves out to several other authors who were producing chart books. Graham Betts produced 2 chart books around the mid-2000s, as did Warwick-Kutner-Brown, who put out 3 editions. Then for some reason Guinness threw in the towel.

The next set of 'official' chart books were produced by Virgin Books, they did the UK singles for 2008 and 2010, as well as an album book, and a singles record charts book. And that's the last of the UK books, I think. But check out Amazon UK to be sure.

I've heard from others that chart books just no longer sell in the UK. Plus you can now go to the Official Charts website and get all the charts online, and well as all kinds of data. Search your fave artist and see all their charted records.

But be aware, the OCC site has bugs. They have not done their own research, they instead bought their data from 3rd parties who did their own research, which had some bugs, which got carried over to the OCC site.

Then there's the other issue which I've stated before, that there was no 'official' chart prior to Feb 1969, but rather 5 major independent charts. The OCC sometime after 2001 decided to falsely rewrite history and claim there was an 'official' chart for the 50s (NME) and the 60s (Record Retailer), but that is a bogus lie. NME is a good chart to use for the 50s, but Record Retailer was the worst possible choice for a 60s chart. Because of a ridiculously small sample size, it was odd man out compared to the other charts.

Then with the Guinness books, just so you know, they did not claim that their 50s & 60s chart data was 'official', they simply informed you what charts they were using for their books. Brits innocently assumed that the Guinness 50s & 60s data was 'official' by osmosis, but it simply was not the case.
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Posted: 19 November 2018 at 12:58pm | IP Logged Quote kingofskiffle

jebsib wrote:
Ah, I see - fair enough.


The Official Chart Company, who own some of the cannon, did a book a little
more recently (2010) using data from a gentleman called Graham Betts and
while it did have errors in it the Virgin Book Of British Hit Singles Volume 2 was
the last printed edition of the UK chart data. Since those books finished
others have tried to fill the gaps. Myself being one such person
(www.thechartbook.co.uk) who has tried to fill the gaps and emulate the
accuracy of Joel's books (Which, by the way, I own several of, if over 20 is
several!). The Virgin book does have errors and inconsistencies but does not
try to list B-Sides or Composers and, I have to say, the overall quality of the
book isn't quite up to Joel's standards.

I've created books for each decade and have so far completed 1950's, 1960's
and 1970's and they do list Composers and Writers. If you have questions
about UK charts then I'll happily try and answer (though possibly not in this
thread!)
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