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Posted: 17 November 2018 at 11:10am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

Paul,

Now that Record Research is seriously researching properties other than Billboard, I
have been giving the situation a lot of thought. I know - based on your comments -
that RR has been going through a few challenges and is stripped down staff-wise.
Reaching a bigger audience would certainly help in the short term.

I am not certain about procedures - or the cost of licensing - but have you ever
considered an Official UK Pop chart book, for sale primarily abroad?   Having lived
there a few years ago, I can attest to the fact that the British - across all demos - are
FAR more "Chart Addicted" than their American counterparts.

With Joel's reputation for being the world's predominant chart authority, I can't
imagine a book in the vein of "Top Pop Singles" would not generate major interest in
Europe - and here, too. For 19 editions, Guinness published the "British Hit Singles"
books, but one hasn't been out since 2006, so I know there must be pent up hunger
there.

Just a thought!
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Posted: 18 November 2018 at 9:04am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

To be honest, Joel has little to no interest in the UK
charts, or any foreign charts for that matter. So, I
don't see us ever delving into those.
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Posted: 18 November 2018 at 11:11am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

Ah, I see - fair enough.
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jebsib wrote:
Paul,

Now that Record Research is seriously researching properties other than Billboard, I
have been giving the situation a lot of thought. I know - based on your comments -
that RR has been going through a few challenges and is stripped down staff-wise.
Reaching a bigger audience would certainly help in the short term.

I am not certain about procedures - or the cost of licensing - but have you ever
considered an Official UK Pop chart book, for sale primarily abroad?   Having lived
there a few years ago, I can attest to the fact that the British - across all demos - are
FAR more "Chart Addicted" than their American counterparts.

With Joel's reputation for being the world's predominant chart authority, I can't
imagine a book in the vein of "Top Pop Singles" would not generate major interest in
Europe - and here, too. For 19 editions, Guinness published the "British Hit Singles"
books, but one hasn't been out since 2006, so I know there must be pent up hunger
there.

Just a thought!

FYI, towards the end of the Guinness book run, the Official Charts Co (OCC) was licensing themselves out to several other authors who were producing chart books. Graham Betts produced 2 chart books around the mid-2000s, as did Warwick-Kutner-Brown, who put out 3 editions. Then for some reason Guinness threw in the towel.

The next set of 'official' chart books were produced by Virgin Books, they did the UK singles for 2008 and 2010, as well as an album book, and a singles record charts book. And that's the last of the UK books, I think. But check out Amazon UK to be sure.

I've heard from others that chart books just no longer sell in the UK. Plus you can now go to the Official Charts website and get all the charts online, and well as all kinds of data. Search your fave artist and see all their charted records.

But be aware, the OCC site has bugs. They have not done their own research, they instead bought their data from 3rd parties who did their own research, which had some bugs, which got carried over to the OCC site.

Then there's the other issue which I've stated before, that there was no 'official' chart prior to Feb 1969, but rather 5 major independent charts. The OCC sometime after 2001 decided to falsely rewrite history and claim there was an 'official' chart for the 50s (NME) and the 60s (Record Retailer), but that is a bogus lie. NME is a good chart to use for the 50s, but Record Retailer was the worst possible choice for a 60s chart. Because of a ridiculously small sample size, it was odd man out compared to the other charts.

Then with the Guinness books, just so you know, they did not claim that their 50s & 60s chart data was 'official', they simply informed you what charts they were using for their books. Brits innocently assumed that the Guinness 50s & 60s data was 'official' by osmosis, but it simply was not the case.
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jebsib wrote:
Ah, I see - fair enough.


The Official Chart Company, who own some of the cannon, did a book a little
more recently (2010) using data from a gentleman called Graham Betts and
while it did have errors in it the Virgin Book Of British Hit Singles Volume 2 was
the last printed edition of the UK chart data. Since those books finished
others have tried to fill the gaps. Myself being one such person
(www.thechartbook.co.uk) who has tried to fill the gaps and emulate the
accuracy of Joel's books (Which, by the way, I own several of, if over 20 is
several!). The Virgin book does have errors and inconsistencies but does not
try to list B-Sides or Composers and, I have to say, the overall quality of the
book isn't quite up to Joel's standards.

I've created books for each decade and have so far completed 1950's, 1960's
and 1970's and they do list Composers and Writers. If you have questions
about UK charts then I'll happily try and answer (though possibly not in this
thread!)
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Posted: 12 February 2019 at 5:39am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

A quick update: The book is finally going to the printer
later today. Should be arriving here by mid-March. A
little bit later than we had anticipated, but we wanted to
make sure we got everything right! Thanks to everyone
here that ordered a copy.

Edited by Paul Haney on 12 February 2019 at 5:42am
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Looking forward to it!

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Thanks Paul! Is your next big thing the Top Pop Singles 1955-2018 for later this year?
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Posted: 13 February 2019 at 5:00am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

PopArchivist wrote:
Thanks Paul! Is your next big thing
the Top Pop Singles 1955-2018 for later this year?


Yes. Joel has already been working on it and I'm starting
on it very soon!
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Posted: 13 February 2019 at 1:47pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Paul Haney wrote:
A quick update: The book is
finally going to the printer later today. Should be
arriving here by mid-March. A little bit later than
we had anticipated, but we wanted to make sure we got
everything right! Thanks to everyone here that
ordered a copy.


Don't forget that you also just announced "Record
World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is
expected late March. Book delivery later than
originally expected...that NEVER happens!!! Except for
every time but we all expect it...didn't you mention
in your youtube bio that the first book you ordered
(before working at RR) came a little later than you
were expecting.
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Posted: 13 February 2019 at 2:52pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
Paul Haney wrote:
A quick update:
The book is
finally going to the printer later today. Should be
arriving here by mid-March. A little bit later than
we had anticipated, but we wanted to make sure we got
everything right! Thanks to everyone here that
ordered a copy.


Don't forget that you also just announced "Record
World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is
expected late March. Book delivery later than
originally expected...that NEVER happens!!! Except for
every time but we all expect it...didn't you mention
in your youtube bio that the first book you ordered
(before working at RR) came a little later than you
were expecting.


We've actually gotten better with the anticipated dates
over the years. It's especially hard to guesstimate with
a project like the Radio & Records book that must be done
from scratch. I put in plenty of my own time on the
project too, which many don't realize.

The 1986 Top Pop Singles book that I ordered was expected
to be available in "March/April 1987", but I didn't get
it until the first week of August (now THAT was a wait!).
Of course, that was long before I started at Record
Research, LOL!
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Posted: 14 February 2019 at 8:40am | IP Logged Quote RoknRobnLoxley

Thanks Paul !!
Locked and loaded on the new Record World book !!
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Paul, so are both of these coming out around the same time:

Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009: A quick update: The book is finally going to the printer
later today. Should be arriving here by mid-March.

"Don't forget that you also just announced "Record
World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is
expected late March. "

I believe I pre-ordered only one of these 2. I didn't realize both can be ordered. Am I understanding this correctly and that both will be coming out within a couple weeks of each other? (And Paul, can you confirm if I only ordered one. I definitely want to buy both :)
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EdisonLite wrote:
Paul, so are both of these coming out
around the same time:

Radio & Records Top Pop Hits 1973-2009: A quick update:
The book is finally going to the printer
later today. Should be arriving here by mid-March.

"Don't forget that you also just announced "Record
World Singles Charts Vol. 2 1973-1982" which is
expected late March. "

I believe I pre-ordered only one of these 2. I didn't
realize both can be ordered. Am I understanding this
correctly and that both will be coming out within a
couple weeks of each other? (And Paul, can you confirm if
I only ordered one. I definitely want to buy both :)


Gordon, we have you down for the Radio & Records book,
but NOT the Record World Charts 1973-82.

The R&R book should be here in a couple of weeks and the
Record World book should be here by mid-April.
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Posted: 11 March 2019 at 12:15pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Hey Paul, the Radio & Records charts ended in 2009. Is
there another Billboard chart that might be considered
it's successor or a close approximation as to what these
charts actually charted?
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The Mainstream Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart in Billboard is
actually the continuation of the R&R CHR chart. From
2006 to 2009, Billboard owned R&R, and both publications
had the exact same charts.
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JMD1961 wrote:
The Mainstream Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart
in Billboard is
actually the continuation of the R&R CHR chart. From
2006 to 2009, Billboard owned R&R, and both publications
had the exact same charts.


JMD beat me to it.

BTW, the books are scheduled to arrive at our offices by
the end of the week.
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Paul Haney wrote:
JMD1961 wrote:
The Mainstream
Top 40 (Pop Songs) chart
in Billboard is
actually the continuation of the R&R CHR chart. From
2006 to 2009, Billboard owned R&R, and both
publications
had the exact same charts.


JMD beat me to it.

BTW, the books are scheduled to arrive at our offices
by
the end of the week.


Hmmm...seems like a potential book in the making. Top
Billboard "Pop" singles from 1992 onward - seems this
chart resembles the old Hot 100 - much more than the
current Hot 100. You've already have done the 1992-
2009 research...I know it's not going to happen, but
just saying!

PS are you still going to call the updated book "Top
Pop Singles 1955-2018"? The current chart really isn't
pop but all-genre.

Edited by Chartman on 12 March 2019 at 8:19am
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Yes, the new book will be titled Top Pop Singles 1955-
2018. We will be revising the artist ranking formula,
starting with the streaming era in 2007.
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Have you thought about adding the 1940-1954 data to it? Maybe for the
2020 edition? 80 years of Billboard charts? Not going to add more than
a few pages I’d suggest.
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