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PopArchivist wrote:
Personally I consider anything from January 1, 1970 to be
collected in stereo, since the record companies were
releasing their albums in stereo and the 45's were
releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only party
needing mono were radio stations. True stereo existed in
1970-1975.
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You may want to move that up to at least 1972.
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Added some more entries tonight.
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The Hits Man wrote:
PopArchivist wrote:
Personally I consider anything from January 1, 1970 to be
collected in stereo, since the record companies were
releasing their albums in stereo and the 45's were
releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only party
needing mono were radio stations. True stereo existed in
1970-1975.
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I would still give the stereo more credence from 1970 onward than I would the mono, regardless of whether the labels still released in mono. It is a personal choice to set the line at 1970. It makes sense that mono 45's during the 1970-1972 period can be found in stereo also and that stereo albums were clearly replacing mono albums (as evidenced by The Beatles etc releasing in stereo).
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I believe there were dedicated mono mixes released after
1970 but many haven't made it to the digital world.
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PopArchivist wrote:
The Hits Man wrote:
PopArchivist wrote:
Personally I consider anything from January 1, 1970 to be
collected in stereo, since the record companies were
releasing their albums in stereo and the 45's were
releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only party
needing mono were radio stations. True stereo existed in
1970-1975.
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I would still give the stereo more credence from 1970
onward than I would the mono, regardless of whether the
labels still released in mono. It is a personal choice to
set the line at 1970. It makes sense that mono 45's
during the 1970-1972 period can be found in stereo also
and that stereo albums were clearly replacing mono albums
(as evidenced by The Beatles etc releasing in stereo).
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I certainly understand personal choice, but the cold fact
is that singles were still largely mono in the early 70s.
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I do see your point, not saying to stop collecting the mono from 1970-1972, just saying that by that time stereo releases were more common compared to the entire 1960's period mono releases were more common. The stereo releases should be given equal credence to the mono from 1970 onward if they are available.
I forgot where the link is, but you can see the percentages of the top 40 in mono vs stereo from 1968 to 1975 and its clear that 1970 began a significant turning point.
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Fellow board members: Are we limiting the mono source to official US and import releases or are bootlegs that are not available everywhere acceptable to be listed?
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I added the sources I had. I'm sure there are bootlegs.
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I'd vote to leave bootlegs off the list. They are not widely available, and
often times they are blocked/prohibited for sale from music sites like
Discogs. I'd also recommend leaving off officially released sources if
the sound quality is poor, even if it's the only available source. For
instance, if the CD contains a mediocre 45 dub, there's probably no
point in including it. Many of us can do our own dubs that are as good
or better.
Edited by aaronk on 23 August 2018 at 9:47am
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aaronk wrote:
I'd vote to leave bootlegs off the
list. They are not widely available, and
often times they are blocked/prohibited for sale from
music sites like
Discogs. I'd also recommend leaving off officially
released sources if
the sound quality is poor, even if it's the only
available source. For
instance, if the CD contains a mediocre 45 dub,
there's probably no
point in including it. Many of us can do our own dubs
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Aaron, I agree with your approach, especially for the
bad CD sources. As for bootlegs, perhaps we can put
the availability in the comments. I know, for
example, that there are some gray-market Elvis mono
bootlegs out there. If those are of good quality it
would be good to have a note that they are available.
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That's a good idea, Dave, to have it in the comments section. At least it provides a source if there are no official CDs available.
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I agree with you Aaron, it will be in the comments only.
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What do you guys think of adding a fold-down flag? I
would find this helpful to determine if a mono mix is
dedicated or not. I'm not suggesting that we'll do the
legwork to determine this for all tracks--but I know
Aaron, Mark and others have made quite a few
determinations already--so perhaps just a field that is
"Y", "N" or blank. If no one else sees value I'll stop
harping about it :)
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Ring,
I would love to see this too and have mentioned it before on this
board. I know it'd be next to impossible to be accurate for all mono
45s, however for those that have been determined to have been a
dedicated mono mix, it would be nice to keep track of the info,
somewhere.
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Dave & David, I added a checkbox column, which allows us to put a checkmark for a dedicated mix. I've been working quite a lot over the past week, so I haven't had a chance to add anything else. I will add the top 10s from the last half of the '50s and first half of the '70s as soon as time permits.
Edited by aaronk on 24 August 2018 at 11:59pm
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Maybe I missed a link, scrolling through these 3 pages too quickly, but what list now has a checkbox column for dedicated mono mixes?
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EdisonLite, the link is here:
1960's Mono Top 10 On CD
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Different browsers display things differently. When I open the
spreadsheet on Safari (iOS, iPhone), the check marks do not show,
but instead, it's a column that says "true" or "false."
Edited by aaronk on 03 September 2018 at 6:18pm
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I didn't want to do a separate thread for this but I thought it would be quite interesting from a collecting point of view to collect both the stereo and mono of each 45 on CD of the top 40 during the 1955-1967 period where mono was king.
For 1960's #1's so far, Running Bear, The Twist, Alley-Oop, Stay and Mr. Custer have no stereo releases, they were all mono only. While it might eventually spawn a different thread, I thought it might be worth discussing what top 40 hits never got a stereo version counterpart.
Some stereo versions just make a song sound better, even though the mono is the accurate 45 representation...
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PopArchivist wrote:
For 1960's #1's so
far, Running Bear, The Twist, Alley-Oop,
Stay and Mr. Custer have no stereo
releases, they were all mono only. While
it might eventually spawn a different
thread, I thought it might be worth
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How do you handle songs on cd that are not
true stereo, but rather either
rechanneled, DES or DCS creations?
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