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I'll be inputting the correct verified running times of the top 10 as I get through compiling and comparing each year in my lossless collection. Edtop40 did a great job of verifying all the running times, I am just making sure that his work does not go uncredited.
I know Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In has a radio edit which I have, but I am unsure if it was released in stereo or mono, so if anyone can help with that PM me. I think El Paso is the only other top 10 radio edit of the 1960's that I am aware of (since everything pretty much ran around 3 min a 45!). If anyone knows of any radio edits we can add them into the comments section of the song.
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I will update this specific post each time I update the excel file with time and discover nothing is available domestically.
1961 #1's not on CD domestically:
Bert Kaempfert-Wonderland By Night
Bobby Vee-Take Good Care of My Baby
Highwaymen-Michael
Elvis Presley-Surrender
Pat Boone-Moody River
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The short "RE-1" promo 45 of "Aquarius" is definitely mono on at least one side and runs 3:00. I don't have the vinyl in front of me at the moment, but I can check the flip side to see if it's stereo should anyone be interested.
Two others I can think of with unique promo 45 versions are "Na Na Hey Hey Kiss Him Goodbye" by Steam and "Penny Lane" by the Beatles. I made a comment for those songs on the spreadsheet.
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I started to input some sources I've had for mono (for at
least, 1960)
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I don't recall Elvis, like the Beatles, Ray Charles and Rolling Stones, ever having a mono box release. If anyone knows of any overseas import that has the mono releases all gathered it would be helpful. Is there some reason those mono recordings never made it to CD when they keep putting out Elvis after Elvis boxset over the last 25 years?
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There is a collection called "The Rolling Stones In Mono"
that has a number of their songs from 1965-1970 in mono.
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Quick Note:
Recently someone put in Elvis and his 1960 hits the following source which has been deleted from the file:
https://www.discogs.com/Elvis-Elvis-Forever-32-Hits/release/ 1591875
If you review discogs the original LP is in stereo and it even says it on the record label. It is not a mono release on CD.
Be prepared to prove your source is mono if it is an import. Many of us might want to get it and if its in stereo I would say 99.9 percent of us already have all the Elvis in Stereo we can fit in our collection.
Don't mean to harp, but if I edit and post a source, it is verified to be mono and I can prove it. Since I want to work to assemble to the top 10 in Mono it is important to be able to know for certain it is mono.
So if you have some evidence it is mono, please provide it. I would rather be cautious because most of Elvis is just simply not mono on CD. If a source is already listed for a track put the source you feel better in the post. That way it will better help us make a better list!
Thanks everyone it is coming along.
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aaronk wrote:
Furthermore, the database is not searchable by mono or stereo, nor can you search based on chart positions. In other words, you can't just run a search for top 10 hits in mono and copy and paste the data. Besides, I think most of the people interested in this list 1) already subscribe to the database, and/or 2) already own a good number of the CDs that would make it onto our list. Arguably, this is not much different than when Ron gives us the run down on all the CDs he has for a particular 45 version and his recommendation on the sound quality. He doesn't copy this info from the database, yet the info is in there (minus the sound quality recommendation).
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Aaron, I agree with you. Pat's database will help you find the mono version, but you are correct you can't specifically search for mono only. We are also compiling a valuable reference as many of us want to assemble the 50's and 60's top 40 but want to know what CD to go to and get a true mono version/best quality available.
I almost had a heart attack when I see the price for the Ray Charles mono box set but it is the only place you can find the mono. There appears an Elvis mono set, but I highly doubt it is an official release, so whoever produced it made it look nice but it is not authorized. So what it comes down to is ensuring that when someone looks at the excel file they are guided to the best choices for mono that exist, and clearly know which needledrops are required to complete the mono 1960's.
I agree that Pat's database is essential to any collector. I cannot tell you how many songs I have found simply by his vast knowledge in the database. Pat's database can only help us find some of the mono domestically if it is even available, but the work is still ours to do.
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Is the "A Date with Everly Brothers" CD cited on the spreadsheet from the Hallmark label? Amazon reviews state that the Collectors' Choice version is stereo. The Amazon reviews of the Hallmark release suggest it's poorly sourced and transferred from vinyl...
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It is mono on The Complete Us & Uk Singles As & BS
1956-62, Vol. 1 which is on the Acrobat label.
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I was the one who entered the A Date With The Everly
Brothers. Going back and listening, I do hear some
surface noise.
It does sound much better on The Complete As, Bs ...
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eriejwg wrote:
I was the one who entered the A
Date With The Everly
Brothers. Going back and listening, I do hear some
surface noise.
It does sound much better on The Complete As, Bs
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I was wondering about that one and suspected it might
be a boot, as I've never found Cathy's Clown in mono.
However, it was a Bill Porter-engineered song at RCA
Nashville Studio B, so the mono was a fold-down.
(Steve Hoffman quote: "Be aware, Bill Porter told me
that every thing he ever recorded at RCA-Victor,
Nashville, was mixed in stereo and folded-down to mono
for the mono LP and 45 releases.")
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Hi all. As we update the list I'm assuming we'd still
like to update it with any import CD's where the mono
versions may be found, right?
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eriejwg wrote:
It is mono on The Complete Us & Uk Singles As & BS
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When in doubt, go with Acrobat first.
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Ringmaster_D wrote:
Hi all. As we update the list I'm assuming we'd still
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If a domestic option is available I would generally go with the domestic release first. If it is not available on CD in the US, go to the import next. If it is not available on the import, go find the original 45 and make a lossless file.
Pretty much that is a rule of thumb. If the domestic release has poor source or sounds terrible feel free to discuss if you disagree with the choice on the list. The goal is to have mono, but a good source for each song.
In my collection at least, I won't turn to the needledrop option until it absolutely does not exist on CD anywhere. As I get through the 1960's you will see a comment in the comment section that something is not available domestically. There are some songs that I noticed are only available in mono and not stereo. For those songs, I will note that in the comment section that domestically there is no stereo available.
I will be doing the 1961 running times as soon as I can.
As far as the Everly Brothers is that set you have mostly in mono John? I am working to reorganize my files from confirmed mono sources and want to know if the other top 10 hits are mono on it.
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It's all mono. Walk Right Back and, I think, Cryin In The
Rain, sound awful though. Over the top noise reduction on
Walk Right Back.
Perhaps it's sourced from vinyl as well.
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Thank you everyone for working to indicate where the mono is for these tracks.
Aaron, it might be helpful to create a 1955-1959 mono file of the top 10 so anyone who knows where those mono sources are can fill them in.
How does everyone want to handle the 1970-1975 period of mono until stereo is above 90 percent? The same way? Because the percentage is still low from 1970-1972, mono releases still exist even if they are not as common. Do we just go with the stereo and use the last day of 1969 as the cut off? Any thoughts?
Personally I consider anything from January 1, 1970 to be collected in stereo, since the record companies were releasing their albums in stereo and the 45's were releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only party needing mono were radio stations. True stereo existed in 1970-1975.
While collecting the mono of this period from 1970-1975 is challenging, anyone agree or disagree with my position.
On a side note, I feel that anything pre-1955 that is released is usually not in stereo unless they were a huge star or group. While challenging, I just don't think that era would make much of a difference if odd tracks were in stereo. Most collectors focus on the post 1955 to late 1960's era of mono. Let's face it other than Tony Bennett, Frank Sinatra, Glenn Miller etc no one is clamoring for stereo of the stars of the 40's or earlier. In my opinion whatever is out there is out there. I would even compromise and purchase lossy itunes and amazon because most tracks are not CD quality before 1955.
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I'm happy to make a sheet with the 1950s top 10s. I'm also happy to
add the '70s if anyone is interested. I like to have the original single
mix, so I enjoy finding '70s mono mixes on CD if that's how they were
originally released on the 45s.
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Count me in as very interested in expanding the mono
list to the 1950's. There are still a few gaps in
domestic mono, and I'd be very interested to hear
people's opinions on the best sources. As for the
1970's, while I generally agree with your stance on
stereo, there are still a few songs that have unique
mono mixes with elements that differ from their stereo
counterparts. I'd be very interested in a list that
details these, but I'd need to rely heavily on the
experts here. One other thing--how about adding a
checkbox on the spreadsheet to indicate where we know
the mono mixes are fold-downs of the stereo? That
would be very helpful.
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PopArchivist wrote:
Personally I consider anything from
January 1, 1970 to be collected in stereo, since the record
companies were releasing their albums in stereo and the
45's were releasing in stereo. The fact is that the only
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While true stereo existed for most songs by the early 70s,
the singles were still mono for the most part early in the
decade and a good number of them (especially Columbia
releases) were dedicated mono mixes.
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