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Posted: 05 July 2018 at 8:47pm | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

As a person who has been collecting chart top 40's, in the last few years there have been certain hits where one version is released and a new "remix" or another hit version maintains enough popularity to overtake it.

For example, Ed Sheeran's Perfect, where the solo hit went all the way to #3 on Billboard. Then Beyonce joins the song and it occupies the #1 space and then appears to be the definitive version of the song everyone plays on radio. At some point after its #1 run if I recall last year, it reverted back to the Ed Sheeran only version on its way back down.

Then you have the case of Despacito. Which got into the 40's in chart position and was stalling until the Justin Bieber remix brought it into the top 10 and then #1 for 16 weeks. The remix is clearly the definitive version, but the original version came first.

You also have Mi Gente, which was in the top 20 of Billboard until a remix with Beyonce came out and if I recall got it all the way to #3. The original Mi Gente was out for weeks on its own until the remix brought it into the top 10.

Back in 2011, Rihanna invited Britney onto her single, which was stalled at #2 going solo and it got to #1 the week after. The remix version with Britney then disappeared as fast as it came, but it is the reason why S & M hit #1 rather than #2.

Finally you have the Til The World Ends Femme Fatale Remix which propelled the original by Britney Spears from #9 to #3 and then disappeared shortly thereafter.

The reason I mention the above is the following to the board members:

1) Is it akin to an a/b side situation because both versions of the song charted and got their own airplay and sales?
2) Do you give as much credence in your collection to the remixes considering they are the hit versions, or are the hit versions the songs that started out on the charts?

Currently I collect them and stay true to the view that since the older and newer versions charted, they should both be included as a/b. I am more curious how others who have collected top 40 for a long time view these situations considering they are unique to this decade.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 5:12am | IP Logged Quote Hykker

I'm in my late 60s and don't really follow the charts
anymore but still do listen to CHR radio. I have to admit
it's a very confusing time as far as what is a "hit" and
what isn't. I see songs in the top 10 that I don't ever
hear on-air, and conversely hear a lot of songs that don't
seem to chart.
Not sure what to make of it.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 5:49am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Here at Record Research, we don't really treat them as an
"A/B side" situation. I believe that "Till The World Ends"
was only shown as the remix version for just 1 of 24 weeks
on the Hot 100. When there is a change like that, we
collect both versions, but usually just handle it with a
trivia note underneath the version that charted the highest
and/or longest.

As for the dis-connect between radio and the Hot 100, you
can blame that on download sales and streaming these days.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 6:30am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

That's one thing I liked about BuzzAngle Music when they
were working correctly (they seemed to have some
technical problems starting in late 2017 that they've
never really fixed, mainly missing songs). They would
(still do) chart a substantially different remix as a
separate track.

So the duet version of "Perfect" charted separately from
the album version, and in fact the duet version was only
in the top ten for a week or two, though one of them was
at #1. So I could hardly consider that to be the "hit"
version of "Perfect."

They did the same thing with "Mi Gente," charted the
original and the popular remix separately, and in that
case the remix was definitely the bigger hit.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 9:26am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Regarding "Perfect," I agree with Brian that the hit version is the album version. We have two CHR stations and a Hot AC in the Dallas market, and I have never once heard the Beyoncé duet version on any of them.

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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 1:12pm | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

Aaron,

Airplay may have been for the album version, but here in New York I heard the Beyonce version constantly, so much so that Mike D's remix even played on some stations.

I agree with Brian that the remix for Mi Gente being the bigger hit.

While the Til The World Ends might have been one week, both the S & M remix and the Beyonce addition to Perfect are the reasons that both songs peaked at #1. It is hard Paul to ignore the impact that each release had. Without them both are top 10 hits and might never have gotten to #1. This is the case with S & M which I recall was stuck at #2 for a bit.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 1:41pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Well, there's nothing wrong with two hit versions! :) I have both in my
collection, so I'm covered. The Dallas CHRs must not be big on playing
remixes once the original has become the hit. It was the same story
with "S&M." They played the Rihanna version for weeks and never
switched to the new version with Britney.

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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 3:07pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

PopArchivist wrote:
both the S & M remix and the
Beyonce addition to Perfect are the reasons that both
songs peaked at #1.


True, but in the past year or two I've come to feel that
peak position doesn't mean much, and that weeks on chart
are a much better indicator of popularity. (Which is
funny, considering I began my collecting in 1989 with the
goal of having all the #1 hits.)

Perfect example are the "Glee" songs. Most of those songs
were NOT "hits." Something that is top ten for one week
and then drops out of the top 40 is not a "hit," even if
it peaks at number one, in my opinion.

Or these "album bombs" we've been having lately, like the
J. Cole feat of three tracks in the Top 10 of the Hot 100
in one week. All three of those were out of the Top 40
the following week. To me, that's not a hit.

Personally, when I'm compiling my year-by-year
collections to listen to in my car, I go by weeks spent
in the top 20, then sort any ties by peak position.
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Posted: 06 July 2018 at 3:52pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

+1 Brian.

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Funny, I was just thinking about this subject a couple days ago when I was upgrading one of my CDRs in my collection. This song didn't make the top 40 - "Lost on You" by LP - but the label sent out 3 edits of the single to TM Century Hit Discs, all shorter than the album version, and all different times with different edits in different places. (In other words, the shortest one wasn't just an edit of the 2nd shortest one, etc.) None were remixed, just different edits. Had this made the top 40 - with stations presumably playing different edits - which would we consider the definitive single version? It gets very complicated, as the examples above show.
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PS - Welcome to the board PopArchivest!
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Posted: 07 July 2018 at 4:48am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Brian W. wrote:
Or these "album bombs" we've been having
lately, like the J. Cole feat of three tracks in the Top 10
of the Hot 100 in one week. All three of those were out of
the Top 40 the following week. To me, that's not a hit.


Wait til you see the album bomb that Drake drops on the Hot
100 this coming week!
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Posted: 07 July 2018 at 6:36am | IP Logged Quote cmmmbase

Imagine if all 25 cuts chart within the top 40....yikes!



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cmmmbase wrote:
Imagine if all 25 cuts chart within the top 40....yikes!



Knowing Drake, they probably will. The question is will he dethrone the current #1. It seems this is "his" year.
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EdisonLite wrote:
PS - Welcome to the board PopArchivest!


Thanks, it is great to be here conversing. Pat was gracious enough to allow me to join your conversations.
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cmmmbase wrote:
Imagine if all 25 cuts chart within the
top 40....yikes!



After seeing his streaming numbers, it's possible that
Drake could have the entire Top 20 to himself this week!
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