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Posted: 04 November 2017 at 4:16am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

The brand new edition (with the tracks back in) is now up for pre-order. Save $15 thru the end of the year. Printing in late February:

https://www.recordresearch.com/pop/top_pop_albums_1955-2016. php
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Posted: 04 March 2018 at 4:27am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

The brand new Top Pop Albums book is currently at the printer and should be in stock by the end of March. It was far and away the toughest book I've ever worked on in my 26 years at Record Research. It's a massive 1,600 pages and weighs nearly 8 pounds!

Joel surprised me with a special dedication at the front of the new book:

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Posted: 05 March 2018 at 10:11pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Congratulations to a well deserving chart geek. This new book has to
be your masterpiece as I can’t fathom how challenging this book had to
be. Not only do have re-entries for albums occurring decades apart but
all those cuts! I’m looking forward to receiving my book but I need to
make some room in my bookcase! Maybe I’ll park it next to the disco
book which was also a challenging project.

So now that you have some free time, what’s your next project?
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Posted: 06 March 2018 at 5:41am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
So now that you have some free time, what’s your next project?


"Free time"...I'm unfamiliar with that concept!

I'm actually working on two separate projects now.

The first is one of Joel's pet projects that he's been working on for the past two years. I have to do the final editing. We'll introduce it very soon.

I'm also working on the new Country Singles book. Getting the research up to date for both the Airplay and the HCS charts as we speak. Hopefully will be out later this year.
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For your updated Country Singles book you may want to look at some potential updates at the spreadsheet found at:

http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/wzrmNVFp/file.html

Most of the errors seemed focus on the years when Billboard ran three concurrent charts. All occurred before you were the research guy at Record Research.
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 4:25am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
For your updated Country Singles book you may want to look at some potential updates at the spreadsheet found at:

http://www25.zippyshare.com/v/wzrmNVFp/file.html

Most of the errors seemed focus on the years when Billboard ran three concurrent charts. All occurred before you were the research guy at Record Research.


Got it. Thanks!
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Where does one download the file on that website? It wants to give me malware.

Andy
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Posted: 29 March 2018 at 5:56am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

AndrewChouffi wrote:
Where does one download the file on that website? It wants to give me malware.

Andy


I've heard that some anti-virus programs and/or browsers have troubles with that site. I've been using the site for decades and obviously it worked fine for Paul.
Try a different browser
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Posted: 07 April 2018 at 6:52am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Just received an e-mail that the "Monster" book is shipping - so I should receive it in a week.

Crunched some numbers about songs that peaked in 2017 on the C&W and R&B charts - subject to change as a few may eventually peak in 2018.

There were 198 songs that charted on both the CA (Country Airplay)and CWS (Hybrid Country Songs) charts, 39 that only appeared on the CA chart, and 65 that only appeared on the CWS chart. There were 32 #1 songs on the CA chart (Small Town Boy was #1 for 4 weeks) but only 6 songs that were #1 on the CWS charts (Body Like A Back Road for 34 weeks and Meant To Be for 18 weeks and counting). Remember when Cruise was the "biggest" C&W song of all time? Looks like the song will "only" be the third biggest in about a month when Meant To Be passes it.

There were 300 songs that peaked on the R&B charts with 242 songs also making the Hot 100 and 56 making the Pop Bubbling Under chart. Ghostbusters and Too Many Years were the only 2 songs that didn't chart on the pop charts. There were also 165 songs that peaked on the R&B Bubbling Under chart - only 2 made the Hot 100 (low positions) and 104 made the Pop Bubbling Under chart.
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Posted: 08 April 2018 at 4:27am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

All of the US orders have been shipped. The foreign ones will be shipped by Tuesday. Thanks again to everyone that ordered a copy.

I'm nearly done with the weekly research for the new Country Singles book. Still have lots of work on the book, but it should be out, hopefully by late summer/early fall.
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Posted: 09 April 2018 at 7:34am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

^ Just noticed something interesting RE: Hot Country Songs.

In the latest issue of Billboard, if you compare the current Country Airplay top
10 and HCS top 10, 9 out 10 songs were the same.

For whatever reason, the disparities seem to be decreasing...
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Posted: 09 April 2018 at 12:40pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

jebsib wrote:

In the latest issue of Billboard, if you compare the
current Country Airplay top
10 and HCS top 10, 9 out 10 songs were the same.

For whatever reason, the disparities seem to be
decreasing...


For this week's country charts, 43 songs are on both
charts, 7 on CWS only and 8 on CA only (positions 1-
50) as this chart is 10 positions deeper than CWS. 9
out of the 10 songs in positions 51-60 are not on the
CWS chart. Plus the Top 32 of each chart is on the
other except for the one Top 10 song. So indeed the
two are getting closer. Of course "Meant To Be" has
been #1 on the CWS chart for 18 weeks now but the last
three weeks on the CA chart were 7-4-3.

Of course the hard core country book buyers probably
still haven't accepted the CWS chart as "THE" country
chart. Curiously when ever Billboard mentions chart
facts they are referring to the CWS chart as the only
extension to the pre-2012 country charts. It does
bother me when they make comparisons between chart
achievements on the Hot 100 and treat the 2018 Hot 100
as the same as the 1964 Hot 100. Totally different
animals! Releasing a CD and having 5-10 or more songs
debut on the Hot 100 is a common occurrence now-a-days
but impossible in earlier days. Plus the longevity of
songs has changed dramatically. Apples to oranges.   

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Posted: 10 April 2018 at 3:37am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Re: Country charts...it's not so much that the two charts don't share songs, they do. It's where those songs end up peaking that's the main problem. For instance, just recently "Legends" by Kelsea Ballerini peaked at #1 on the Airplay chart and at #10 on HCS. That's quite a difference! That's just one example, there are many more like it. With the new book, you'll be able to see all of that at a glance. Again, we're not ignoring the HCS songs chart, just giving the Airplay chart its due. Even the American Country Countdown radio show now uses the Airplay chart, so most casual fans will be familiar with those chart stats.

"Meant To Be" by Bebe Rexha & Florida Georgia Line is getting strong Pop airplay and is currently at #2 on the Hot 100, so it will be #1 on the HCS for a LONG time to come. Not to mention the next batch of superstar album cuts and Voice contestant songs that will continue to chart on HCS with almost ZERO radio airplay.

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Posted: 10 April 2018 at 7:10am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

Paul, are you concerned about the current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:

I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings.
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Posted: 10 April 2018 at 9:08am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

jebsib wrote:
Paul, are you concerned about the current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:

I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings.


We'll see what happens. It's certainly possible that we could adjust our point system.
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Here are the biggest discrepancies between 2017 peak
positions on the Country Airplay (CA) and Hot Country
Songs (HCS) charts:

Songs that peaked higher on the CA chart
"Ask Me How I Know" by Garth Brooks CA = 1 HCS =
13

"Yours If You Want It" by Rascal Flatts CA = 1 HCS
= 13

"Outta Style" by Aaron Watson CA = 10 HCS = 24
"Baby, Let's Lay Down And Dance" by Garth Brooks CA =
15 HCS = 29
"California" by Big & Rich CA = 20 HCS = 32
"Missing" by William Michael Morgan CA = 29 HCS =49
"At The House" by Blake Shelton CA = 33 HCS = 49
"Til Tomorrow" by Walker McGuire CA = 35 HCS = 50

Songs that peaked higher on the HCS chart
"Speak To A Girl" by Tim McGraw & Faith Hill HCS = 6
CA = 19
"Dear Hate" by Maren Morris HCS = 18 CA = 29
"Sixteen" by Thomas Rhett HCS = 24 CA = 59
"Back To God" by Reba HCS = 25 CA = 41
"In The Blood" by John Mayer HCS = 39 CA = 57
"Better Me" by Montgomery Gentry HCS = 40 CA =60

Have no explanation as to why. Two #1 CA songs only
peaked at #13 on the HCS chart and look at the
difference for "Sixteen" - 24 vs 59.

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jebsib wrote:
Paul, are you concerned about the
current Hot 100 era where streaming allows
12 or more album cuts to enter the Big Chart in a
given release week by even
mediocre Hip-Hop artists? It feels as if your point-
totals are going to have to
adjust their weighing in the future:

I will give Drake his cultural due, but with only
average pop radio success, it
seems alarming that within the next two years he could
challenge the Beatles
at #2 in terms of your Top Pop Artist rankings.


Remember when making the Hot 100 was only for "hit"
records? Just look at the past couple of weeks where
Logic, XXXTentacion and The Weeknd released new
"albums" and most of the cuts made the Hot 100 only to
drop off fairly quick. These are now defined as hits!?
I thought Glee Cast had the largest number of hits.

It's only a matter of time until Apple stops offering
music downloads and concentrates on their Apple Music
Streaming service. Sales are already a dying component
of the charts - just look at the sales numbers for the
Billboard 200. Streaming is god now.
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We live in different times now. Comparing the chart achievements of the Beatles to anything that came out in the digital era is apples to oranges. In fact, comparing chart peaks of any songs really needs to be taken with a grain of salt if they didn't chart concurrently.

The Hot 100 has only ever showed a song's relative popularity compared to other songs that were on the chart in a given week. It does not show sales numbers, nor does it show airplay figures.

For example, the #1 song on January 4, 1964 was "There! I've Said It Again" by Bobby Vinton, which stayed there for four weeks. On February 1, 1964, the Beatles hit #1 with "I Want To Hold Your Hand," which stayed at the top for seven weeks. It wouldn't surprise me if the Beatles' record outsold Bobby Vinton by 10 to 1 (or more), yet they were both #1 records. Comparing the two records' chart data alone is pretty much pointless. You would need to know the actual sales/airplay numbers to make any sort of accurate comparisons.

The same is true for today's Hot 100 chart. It's a snapshot of what's popular this week. Period.

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Well, yes. And Record Research has done a stunning job cataloguing and
contrasting all those Apples & Oranges over the decades. And when the data
has varied dramatically, they have used shrewd intuition to make sense of the
"Potholes" (eg: adding Airplay-Only songs, weeding out Sales-Only hits,
acknowledging but not including "Glee Cast" as a point-accumulating Artist)…

I don't envy the RR staff these days. The Hot 100 is more like a weekly
dartboard than ever before!
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I agree 100%! I love the Whitburn/Record Research books, and I refer to them often. But it doesn't bother me at all if an entire album's songs are all eligible to chart on the Hot 100 these days. The true "hits" will stick around toward the top of the chart for multiple weeks. The other songs are merely an indicator of what was popular for a short time in music history.

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