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Posted: 10 October 2017 at 7:11pm | IP Logged Quote jebsib

The eBooks are awesome. So much information and you can take them
anywhere. Sad they aren't huge sellers.

Hopefully that will be the format when it is time to compile the 2010s "Hot 100
Charts" book.
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 1:11am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

It takes just as much time and effort to do the research/editing for an e-book as it does a print book. It doesn't cost us anything to print an e-book (of course), but we still have to pay a monthly storage fee to the printer for use of their server space for every e-book that we offer for sale.
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 4:07am | IP Logged Quote Hykker

Paul Haney wrote:
It takes just as much time and effort
to do the research/editing for an e-book as it does a
print book. It doesn't cost us anything to print an e-
book (of course), but we still have to pay a monthly
storage fee to the printer for use of their server space
for every e-book that we offer for sale.


I get that, and this wasn't in any way intended as a dig
at RR.
Maybe I'm just getting old, but I can't think of any
reason I'd want a "virtual book" unless the price was
substantially lower than a real one. 10% or so isn't
gonna do it for me.

jebsib wrote:
The eBooks are awesome. So much
information and you can take them
anywhere. Sad they aren't huge sellers.


Regular books can go anywhere too, and you don't need a
special gadget to read them.
I don't know if they can be read on a smart phone or not
(I don't have one), but it doesn't make much sense to me
to try and read a reference book on a puny little screen
like that.
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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 9:28am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Hey Paul,

I hope my previous message didn't come across too
harshly and I greatly appreciate you taking time out
of your Top LP Book research to reply to everyone.
Still torn on this issue but you may want to approach
it like you did in the "Top Adult Songs" - that is
show chart data (since 10/2012) for both charts under
each entry. The reader can look at the data and make
up their own mind. I'm sure Billboard has received a
fair amount of criticism during the past 5 years but
they continue unabashedly onward so keeping the HCS
chart data prominently is warranted.

If you do decide to go with Airplay as the main data,
how would you handle the transition on October 20,
2012? For songs on the Country chart before then,
would you just start using their chart positions on
the Country Airplay chart in continuation? Seems
logical if you consider the Airplay chart to be the
new official chart. That would create a more stable
transition than actually occurred on the actual HCS
chart. You can then just show data for the HCS chart
from 10/20/12 onward as this was essentially a "new"
chart on that date.

"Cruise" only charted for 24 weeks on the Airplay
chart and was #1 for three weeks. On the HCS chart it
was #1 for 24 weeks. If you highlight the Airplay
data, imagine the stir that would create given that
everyone has heard that this song broke all #1
longevity records (until Sam Hunt came along).

Why not get Joel an account? I bet most here would
love talking to THE MAN directly. He's been one of my
idols for 40+ years now!

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jebsib wrote:
BTW, Pulse Music fans are radio driven,
so they were horrified when HCS
added streams and sales, let alone airplay from other
formats. They didn't
understand that the chart went from "The Top songs
that Country Radio plays"
to "The Top Songs consumed in the U.S. that are the
Country genre".


Excellent description. Did Billboard make the chart
better or worse? For hard core "country rules" radio
listeners it was an abomination. For the rest of us,
probably better - but guess who buys RR books?

Was there a big outrage from R&B book buyers? Their
primary chart also changed and that data was presented
in the "Top R&B Singles 1942-2016". There is a
R&B/Hip-Hop Airplay chart - maybe these number should
be the "main" ones for that genre. I have a buddy who
is hard core R&B and that's what he thinks. He did not
buy the latest R&B book but not for that reason. He
was upset that RR didn't include the Bubbling Under
R&B.

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Posted: 11 October 2017 at 11:31am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

The R&B chart didn't seem to have the huge discrepancies that the Country charts have. Yes, we would just simply keep the Airplay research flowing as it did and would treat the HCS chart as a new chart from that 10/20/12 date.

Joel has his hands full lately. For those that don't know, his wife (Fran) was in a near-fatal boating accident on July 7th of this year. She's still in the hospital as of today. We're all hopeful, but don't know if she will ever walk again. It was a huge blow to the entire RR family, as we're a very close-knit group. He dedicated the current Pop Annual to her.
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Posted: 12 October 2017 at 5:35am | IP Logged Quote jebsib

That's terrible news about poor Fran. She would sometimes answer the phone
in years past when I was ordering and seemed to be the sweetest lady.
Prayers to the family.
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Oh, my. Prayers to Joel, Fran, and family.

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Very sorry to hear this. Am wishing the best to all.
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Posted: 14 October 2017 at 3:35am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Thanks for the kind words about Fran. We nearly lost her a couple of times over the past few months, but she's a fighter for sure. She's had to endure about 10 serious operations, but she never lost her will to live. The good news is she was just transferred yesterday from the main hospital to a rehab center. Once her breathing issues become more stabilized she may be able to come home and continue her rehab.
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Posted: 14 October 2017 at 1:05pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

Very sorry to hear about Fran. I wish her a speedy
recovery.
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Posted: 16 October 2017 at 4:58pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Paul Haney wrote:

We have been discussing this very subject recently. One of the biggest complaints about the previous edition was that we started using the so-called "hybrid" chart and totally dropped the Airplay chart. Looks like we'll be going with the Country Airplay numbers as the "main" numbers, but we will also show the hybrid chart numbers as well (probably off to one side). In the rare case where a title made the hybrid chart, but not the airplay chart, then that number would be shown as the "main" number. Hopefully we will have a new edition ready by mid-2018 or so.


Here's some numbers for you concerning the two C&W charts. There were 934 songs that peaked on both charts during 2013-2016 - in honor of your new Pop Annual.

426 songs made both charts
170 songs only charted on the Country Airplay chart
329 songs only charted on the Hot Country Songs chart

Not exactly what you may have been expecting. Of course many of those 329 were probably much more pop than country, i.e. Taylor Swift.
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Posted: 17 October 2017 at 8:34am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

So on the 60 position Airplay chart there were 605 songs.

On the 50 position Hot Country Songs (HCS) chart there were 755 songs - obviously much higher turnover however, some songs stayed on this chart forever. This was the chart that had two different songs at #1 for over 23 weeks! Nothing like that on the Airplay chart.

Think the country diehards believe that there were way too many non-country songs on the HCS chart. For example, Taylor Swift switched from country to pop so all of her songs made the HCS chart while none of them made the Airplay chart. Billboard identified her as country while the country radio stations properly disowned her. The Cruise remix with Nelly was responsible for many weeks at #1 on the HCS but no country radio station played it! On the other hand, many country songs from TV (like the Voice and Nashville) received Airplay but were not enough of a crossover hit to make the HCS chart. Think Billboard needs to re-examine what artists they include on their Hot "Country" Songs chart. Hell, I think Billboard needs to re-examine how they compile their Hot 100!
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Posted: 17 October 2017 at 9:41am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
On the other hand, many country songs from TV (like the Voice and Nashville) received Airplay but were not enough of a crossover hit to make the HCS chart.


Pretty sure it's the other way around. Those songs featured on TV shows like The Voice sell downloads but get virtually zero airplay. For example: "My Baby's Got A Smile On Her Face" by Craig Wayne Boyd hit #1 on HCS and didn't make the Top 60 airplay chart at all! And that's just one example. Just one more reason why I think it's wise to use the Airplay chart for the main numbers.
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Paul Haney wrote:

Pretty sure it's the other way around. Those songs featured on TV shows like The Voice sell downloads but get virtually zero airplay. For example: "My Baby's Got A Smile On Her Face" by Craig Wayne Boyd hit #1 on HCS and didn't make the Top 60 airplay chart at all! And that's just one example. Just one more reason why I think it's wise to use the Airplay chart for the main numbers.


Right you are - guess I had a "senior moment" there.

For 2016 here are the top 10 highest peaking songs that made the HCS but not the Airplay chart:

Peak   Artist     &n bsp;       Song Title
1     Keith Urban     Blue Ain't Your Color
4     Emily Ann Roberts     Burning House
4     Sundance Head     Darlin' Don't Go
11    Keith Urban with Carrie Underwood     The Fighter
11    Sundance Head     At Last
13    Blake Shelton with Gwen Stefani     Go Ahead And Break My Heart
14    Adam Wakefield     Lonesome Broken And Blue
18    Pentatonix with Dolly Parton     Jolene
18    Adam Wakefield     I'm Sorry
19    Kane Brown     Ain't No Stopping Us Now

11 songs that made the top 20 on the HCS chart didn't make the Airplay chart

Here are the top 10 highest peaking songs that made the Airplay but not the HCS Airplay chart:

Peak   Artist     &n bsp;       Song Title
39    Brandy Clark     Girl Next Door
39    Brett Eldredge     It's Beginning To Look A Lot Like Christmas
41    Trace Adkins     Jesus And Jones
42    Joe Nichols     Undone
44    Lindsay Ell     By The Way
45    Scotty McCreery     Southern Belle
45    Mickey Guyton     Heartbreak Song
45    Brett Eldredge     Let It Snow! Let It Snow! Let It Snow!
46    Hank Williams Jr. Featuring Eric Church     Are You Ready For The Country?
47    Martina McBride     Reckless

All songs that peaked at 38 or higher on the Airplay charts made the HCS chart.

That Craig Wayne Boyd song only charted for one week and that was at #1. He had 8 total songs on the HCS with 6 of them charting for only one week. The other two charted for 2 and 3 weeks. Similar to the "success" of the Glee Cast when almost all of their songs only charted for one week on the Hot 100. Maybe we should use the Airplay chart instead of the Hot 100!




Edited by Chartman on 18 October 2017 at 6:29am
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Posted: 18 October 2017 at 9:00am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
For 2016 here are the top 10 highest peaking songs that made the HCS but not the Airplay chart:

Peak   Artist     &n bsp;       Song Title
1     Keith Urban     Blue Ain't Your Color
4     Emily Ann Roberts     Burning House
4     Sundance Head     Darlin' Don't Go
11    Keith Urban with Carrie Underwood     The Fighter
11    Sundance Head     At Last
13    Blake Shelton with Gwen Stefani     Go Ahead And Break My Heart
14    Adam Wakefield     Lonesome Broken And Blue
18    Pentatonix with Dolly Parton     Jolene
18    Adam Wakefield     I'm Sorry
19    Kane Brown     Ain't No Stopping Us Now


I'm a little confused with this list.

According to my records, "Blue Ain't Your Color" hit #1 on the Airplay chart and "The Fighter" peaked at #2 on Airplay.
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Paul Haney wrote:

I'm a little confused with this list.

According to my records, "Blue Ain't Your Color" hit
#1 on the Airplay chart and "The Fighter" peaked at #2
on Airplay.


"The Fighter" charted on the HCS chart
5/28/16 to 7/9/16 7 weeks peaking at #7 on 6/4/16

7 1/2 months later re-entered = new entry
2/25/17 to 8/19/17 26 weeks peaking at #2 on 4/22/17
Also charted on Airplay chart
2/25/17 to 8/19/17 26 weeks peaking at #2 on 8/12/17
So it only made the HCS chart in 2016 but made both in
2017.

"Blue Ain't Your Color" did make both charts
Hot Country Chart 8/27/16 to 3/25/17 31 weeks peaking
at #1 (12 weeks) on 11/19/16
Airplay chart 9/3/16 to 2/4/17 23 weeks peaking at #1
(2 weeks) on 1/14/17

My quick analysis just checked songs based on their
peak year of 2016 so that's why the Airplay peak of
1/14/17 didn't show up. Should have just checked by
song title and would have gotten that one! Sorry about
that confusion...Thanks for checking


Edited by Chartman on 18 October 2017 at 11:17am
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Posted: 18 October 2017 at 11:15am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

"The Voice" is pretty much a Country Driven show. So the
viewers all go out and buy the country singers songs on
iTunes (and watch youtube) and they make the HCS chart,
albeit for a short period of time. Odd that the Radio
guys just don't want to play these songs.

Edited by Chartman on 18 October 2017 at 11:21am
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Posted: 18 October 2017 at 11:16am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

It looks like most of the non-Airplay HCS hits appeared to have come from The Voice contestants.

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Paul Haney wrote:
It looks like most of the non-
Airplay HCS hits appeared to have come from The Voice
contestants.


Many do. I don't know all the contestants on the show
because I don't watch it, however some names I do
recognize and their number of HCS "hits" include:

Danielle Bradbery 10
Jake Worthington 9
The Swon Brothers 9
Emily Ann Roberts 8
Adam Wakefield 8
Barret Barber 7
Sundance Head 6
Cassadee Pope 3

There were also 5 contestants who did duets with Blake
Shelton that could be added to this list. So that adds
up to at least 65 plus the 8 for Craig Wayne Boyd.


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