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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 9:25am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Seems like we got sidetracked from the Pop Annual :)

A couple of errors that you might update:

"Raunchy" by Ernie Freeman peaked at #4 on the Most
Played by Jockeys chart on 1/13/58. You have it
peaking on 12/30/57 (wrong year).

"Jingle Bell Rock" by Bobby Helms (1957) had a chart
run of 67-23-8-6-17-78 so it was in the Top 40 for 4
weeks. You have it listed for 6 weeks in the Top 40.

On the 7/15/57 Most Payed by Jockeys chart, the
billboard editors went "b-side" crazy. They have five
b-sides listed only for that week:

#12 "Jitterbug Mary" by The Dell-Vikings, was listed
as the b-side to "Cool Shake"
#15 "Don't Say Goodbye" by The Diamonds, was listed as
the b-side to "Words Of Love"
#18 "First In Line" by The Four Coins, was listed as
the b-side to "Shangri-La"
#20 "Let Me Hold You In My Arms" by Nick Noble, was
listed as the b-side to "A Fallen Star"
#23 "Don't Make Me Cry" by Buddy Knox, was listed as
the b-side to "Rock Your Baby To Sleep"

You may want to update your "tag along" list - of
course, could be a case where the Billboard guys drank
a little too much coolaid!


Edited by Chartman on 23 October 2017 at 9:26am
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 10:18am | IP Logged Quote Hykker

Paul Haney wrote:
Yes, streaming has been incorporated
since 2007 and YouTube views since 2013.


I read somewhere that streams from subscription sites will
now be weighted more heavily by BB than streams from free
sites like Youtube.
Any idea what the reasoning behind that is?
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 10:22am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Regarding the airplay hits Paul mentioned, I'd vote for "I'll Be There For
You" (Rembrandts) to be listed under #1 with an [Air] symbol and then
separately and rightfully as a B-side for its #17 peak.

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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 11:20am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
Seems like we got sidetracked from the Pop Annual :)

A couple of errors that you might update:

"Raunchy" by Ernie Freeman peaked at #4 on the Most
Played by Jockeys chart on 1/13/58. You have it
peaking on 12/30/57 (wrong year).

"Jingle Bell Rock" by Bobby Helms (1957) had a chart
run of 67-23-8-6-17-78 so it was in the Top 40 for 4
weeks. You have it listed for 6 weeks in the Top 40.

On the 7/15/57 Most Payed by Jockeys chart, the
billboard editors went "b-side" crazy. They have five
b-sides listed only for that week:

#12 "Jitterbug Mary" by The Dell-Vikings, was listed
as the b-side to "Cool Shake"
#15 "Don't Say Goodbye" by The Diamonds, was listed as
the b-side to "Words Of Love"
#18 "First In Line" by The Four Coins, was listed as
the b-side to "Shangri-La"
#20 "Let Me Hold You In My Arms" by Nick Noble, was
listed as the b-side to "A Fallen Star"
#23 "Don't Make Me Cry" by Buddy Knox, was listed as
the b-side to "Rock Your Baby To Sleep"

You may want to update your "tag along" list - of
course, could be a case where the Billboard guys drank
a little too much coolaid!


Joel decided to change the "Raunchy" date so it would come out in 1957 with the other versions of the song.

I made the Bobby Helms correction.

As for those B-sides, I'll run them past Joel and see what he thinks.
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 11:23am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

aaronk wrote:
Regarding the airplay hits Paul mentioned, I'd vote for "I'll Be There For
You" (Rembrandts) to be listed under #1 with an [Air] symbol and then
separately and rightfully as a B-side for its #17 peak.


Aaron, I get where you're coming from on this one. However, it's different from the other examples, in that it was released on a single, therefore became eligible for the Hot 100 (and Billboard did show it as the A-side on the actual charts).
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Posted: 23 October 2017 at 2:02pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Paul, I definitely understand the logic behind it and why it's listed that way. I'm only suggesting it because technically--and despite how Billboard listed it--it was clearly a B-side with a separate chart run than when it was riding high on the airplay charts. It might open up a can of worms to do that, though. I just assumed there aren't too many examples of where Billboard charted a B-side several months after it was an airplay-only hit.

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Posted: 24 October 2017 at 2:33am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Hykker wrote:
I read somewhere that streams from subscription sites will
now be weighted more heavily by BB than streams from free
sites like Youtube.
Any idea what the reasoning behind that is?


It's all about the money. Some (but not all) of the artist management and record labels would like nothing better than to shut down music availability on YouTube. They feel that the artists should be paid, no matter how their product is consumed.
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Posted: 24 October 2017 at 7:34pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

A few more updates for you:

"Lipstick Paint A Smile On Me" by Demetris Tapp peaked
at 112 on 12/14/63 - you have it peaking at 118

"When The Lights Go Down" by Faith Hill peaked at 119
on 2/1/03 - you have it peaking at 120

"Heat It Up" By Bubba Sparxxx peaked at 103 on 6/24/06
- you have it peaking at 104

I'm not 100% sure the billboard.biz archives are
correct for the last two though...I often find
mismatches between printed charts and billboard's
archives - and naturally the last two were never
published in a magazine.


Edited by Chartman on 24 October 2017 at 7:43pm
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 5:25am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Thanks for those corrections!

It led me to find that Billboard did change the Bubbling Under chart for 6/17/2006, sometime after it was originally posted. This led to the following changes:

Blow The Whistle by Too Short peaked at #101 (not #103) and charted for 8 weeks (not 7).

And She Said... by Lucas Prata charted for 4 weeks (not 5).
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 8:12am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Paul Haney wrote:
Thanks for those corrections!

It led me to find that Billboard did change the
Bubbling Under chart for 6/17/2006, sometime after it
was originally posted. This led to the following
changes:

Blow The Whistle by Too Short peaked at #101 (not
#103) and charted for 8 weeks (not 7).

And She Said... by Lucas Prata charted for 4 weeks
(not 5).


On the originally posted chart the Lucas Prata song
was #125 and the Too Short song was not listed - so
I'm guessing the put Too Short at 101 and moved
everything down on notch thereby kicking out Lucas
Prata. They've done that before!

Just did a quick view on the free billboard.biz site
(where they only show the top 3 positions) and they
have:
#1 Down - Rakim & Ken-Y
#2 Single - Natasha Bedingfield
#3 High - James Blunt

Where did you find the updated chart showing Blow The
Whistle at #1?

Edited by Chartman on 25 October 2017 at 8:20am
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 8:49am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Chartman wrote:
Where did you find the updated chart showing Blow The
Whistle at #1?


I have access to the BillboardPlus site. That's where I found it. They apparently updated it just a day or two after the original chart was posted, but I didn't catch it at the time.
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 8:50am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

A few more updates for you:

For all of these you have the song at its peak
position for one week when it actually was there for 2
weeks
"Sally Sayin' Something'" by Billy Harner was at its
peak position of 118 on 9/2 & 9/9/67
"Don't Take My Kindness For Weakness" by The Soul
Children was at its peak position of 102 on 9/2 &
9/9/72
"Tequila" by Hot Butter was at its peak position of
105 on 1/27 & 2/3/73
"Darlin" by Tom Jones was at its peak position of 103
on 4/25 & 5/2/81
"Jamaica" by Bobby Caldwell was at its peak position
of 105 on 4/17 & 5/1/82
"I Believe In A Thing Called Love" by The Darkness was
at it's peak position of 119 on 3/6 & 3/27/04
"Why Would You Stay?" by Kem was at its peak position
of 102 on 8/28 & 9/11/10

Then there's this one:
"Just Came Here To Chill" by The Isley Brothers was at
its peak position for 5 weeks (4/22, 5/6, 5/20, 5/27 &
6/3/06) - you say 4 weeks
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 9:01am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

I double-checked and made all the above corrections.

Thanks again, Chartman!
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Posted: 25 October 2017 at 7:32pm | IP Logged Quote torcan

Just adding my thoughts on the Hot 100 - I realize
things change and the songs that made it were among
that week's top 100, however, it's misleading. If a
song wasn't promoted to radio as a single I don't
think it should have charted. This would make things
more realistic.

That the records have been broken for most songs from
one album to hit the chart doesn't mean much to me,
because for albums like "Thriller" or "Born in the
USA" you still had to go to the store and buy the 45,
rather than just downloading all or part of an album
and having all those obscure tracks chart for a week
or two. For me, those albums (and a few others) are
the ones that really still hold the record.

I guess it's still good for measuring those songs that
have been promoted as singles (usually the ones near
the top), but when they made these rules they should
have thought twice.

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Paul Haney wrote:
Chartman wrote:
Where did you find the updated chart showing Blow The
Whistle at #1?


I have access to the BillboardPlus site. That's where I found it. They apparently updated it just a day or two after the original chart was posted, but I didn't catch it at the time.


The chart on the Billboard.biz site still reflects the originally posted chart. But the Last Week's position on the 6/24/06 chart shows positions corresponding to the BillboardPlus site. Go figure? Have ran across quite a few errors and truncated charts on the Billboard.biz site through the years. Anyhow, excellent catch!
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Posted: 26 October 2017 at 4:46pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Here are some incorrect peak dates - I verified all
but the last three with the printed charts. Only the
first one is important. The last three might be
correct but we all know how you can always count on
billboard.biz!

"Flying Blue Angels" by Johnny George peaked #108 on
1/20/62 - you have 9/11/61 Different year
"Don't Let Me Cross Over" by Adam Wade peaked at #117
on 3/9/63 - you have 3/2/63
"Heartaches" by Kenny Ball peaked at #119 on 12/14/63
- you have 12/7/63
"Rock Candy" by Jack McDuff peaked at #109 on 12/14/63
- you have 12/7/63
"Nevertheless" by Billy Butler peaked at #102 on
12/19/64 - you have 12/12/64
"Either Way I Lose" by Gladys Knight & The Pips peaked
at #119 on 12/26/64 - you have 12/19/64
"You're Ready Now" by Frankie Valli peaked at #112 on
4/30/66 - you have 5/28/66
"Love's Gone Bad" by Chris Clark peaked at #105 on
11/26/66 - you have 11/12/66
"Me And Mr. Hohner" by Bobby Darin peaked at #123 on
6/7/69 - you have 5/24/69
"Treat Me Like A Good Piece Of Candy" by Dusk peaked
at #106 on 12/11/71 - you have 11/27/71
"Woman Stealer" by Joe Tex peaked at #103 on 3/31/73 -
you have 3/17/73
"You Never Know What You've Got" by Bell & James
peaked at #103 on 7/28/79 - you have 7/14/79
"Uptown *Hit" by Kurious peaked at #123 on 3/12/94 -
you have 3/19/94
"Running Blind" by Godsmack peaked at #123 on 5/22/04
- you have 5/15/04
"Fuego" by The Cheetah Girls peaked at #122 on 1/19/08
- you have 1/12/08
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Posted: 27 October 2017 at 7:17am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Corrections have all been made.

Thanks again, Chartman!
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Posted: 27 October 2017 at 7:27am | IP Logged Quote Chartman

Last three - I promise!

"Luther The Anthropoid (Ape Man)" by The Jimmy Caster Bunch debuted on 8/12/72 - you have 8/5/72

"Missing You" by Luther Ingram was only at its peak position of 108 for one week (3/25/72). On the following week's chart it was listed as the b-side to "You Were Made For Me" also at position 108. Think you gave it credit for being the a-side for the last week thereby giving it credit for 2 weeks at its peak.

And lastly "Summer Love" by The Blackbyrds was listed as a b-side on the Bubbling chart for 3 weeks. You indicate this in the Pop Singles book, however the song is not listed as a tag along in the Pop Annual. Maybe because the a-side "Do It Fluid" made the Hot 100.

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Paul Haney wrote:
Chartman wrote:
Where did you find the updated chart showing Blow The
Whistle at #1?


I have access to the BillboardPlus site. That's where I found it. They apparently updated it just a day or two after the original chart was posted, but I didn't catch it at the time.


Hey Paul - could you check the Mainstream Rock chart for 3/24/84 on BillboardPlus? The published chart and the one on billboard.biz was just a copy of the 3/17/84 chart - obviously in error and the last week's positions on the 3/31/84 chart suggested a correct chart was created.

PS I ordered the LP book - looks like I'm going to need a fork lift to move it around!

Thanks
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Chartman wrote:
Hey Paul - could you check the Mainstream Rock chart for 3/24/84 on BillboardPlus? The published chart and the one on billboard.biz was just a copy of the 3/17/84 chart - obviously in error and the last week's positions on the 3/31/84 chart suggested a correct chart was created.


The BillboardPlus info for that particular chart doesn't go back that far. I see that we considered the 3/24/84 chart to be frozen (the same) as the 3/17/84 chart. I suppose you could try to put one together using the "last week" numbers from the 3/31/84 chart, but you'd have to guess at some titles for the ones that fell off. Billboard may have done a chart for 3/24, but didn't bother to make a printed correction, thus it's probably lost for good.
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