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Posted: 16 November 2016 at 8:55pm | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

The David Bowie catalog really doesn't sound so good on CD. In general, the RCA CDs (if you can find them) tended to use higher-generation source tapes, but didn't use any additional noise reduction. I don't care for the RCAs myself. The Rykos tended to use better source tapes, but used a little noise reduction to suck the life out of them. Not great, but a little better to my ears than the RCAs. I've only heard the EMI Best Of Bowie collection, but I wasn't impressed - I heard noise reduction and a smiley-face EQ on some tracks. I haven't heard any of the Virgin discs.

For "Fame", the choices are comparable to my generalizations.

It sounds thin and distant on the RCA collections ChangesOneBowie (copyright 1976) and Fame And Fashion (copyright 1984). There's a multi-disc collection from Holland called The Singles Collection (1993), which is digitally exactly 3.244 dB louder than RCA's ChangesOneBowie.

It sounds a little clearer on Ryko's 2-CD The Singles 1969-1993 (1993). There are digital clones on Time-Life's Guitar Rock Vol. 10 Classics (1994; digitally exactly 0.9 dB quieter) and Time-Life's Gold And Platinum Vol. 3 (1997; digitally exactly 2 dB quieter). Unfortunately, the common Ryko collection Changesbowie uses the 1990 remix of "Fame".

It sounds boomy and a little compressed on EMI's Best Of Bowie (2002).

If I had to pick, I'd go with Ryko's The Singles 1969-1993 (1993) for the LP version.

The 45 edit is easy. Here are editing instructions using The Singles 1969-1993 as the source:

Segment 1
Extends from 0:00.0 to 2:09.8 of the LP version and the 45 edit
Ends on a downbeat, in the middle of a high-pitched guitar note

Remove the 70 beats from 2:09.8 to 2:54.2 of the LP version

Segment 2
Begins on a downbeat with a crash cymbal (at what would be the end of a snare drum fill)
Extends from 2:54.2 to 4:18.3 (end) of the LP version
Extends from 2:09.8 to 3:33.9 (end) of the 45 edit

Your mixdown will run 3:31 (3:33.9 with outro silence), with an edit at 2:09.8.

Fortunately, Rhino has already done this edit for you on Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999), which is inexpensive, and doesn't seem to have the noise reduction that's on the Ryko discs. The song retains the high end on the fade, which is pleasantly hissy. Based on my experience with the Millennium discs, I'd bet that it does its own edit from one of the earlier RCA, Ryko, EMI, or Virgin masterings, but I don't know which one.

The only other choice for the 45 edit is Rhino's pricey Have A Nice Decade The '70s Pop Culture Box, which sounds very close to Millennium.

My choice for the 45 edit: Rhino's Millennium Classic Rock Party (1999).

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Posted: 12 August 2020 at 5:28pm | IP Logged Quote David Pro

There is a 1996 re-release of
Changesbowie which replaces
the 1990 remix of "Fame" with the
original version.

sbowie/release/2713732">https://www.discogs.com/change
sbowie/release/2713732
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Posted: 13 August 2020 at 4:48pm | IP Logged Quote LunarLaugh

It sounds great on my US 2-disc Sony/Legacy release of
"Nothing Has Changed" (different than the Parlophone
European releases).

https://www.discogs.com/David-Bowie-Nothing-Has-
Changed/release/6316570

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Posted: 13 August 2020 at 8:54pm | IP Logged Quote garye

The single version of "Fame"I have and a few other
single releases from that period is from a CD titled
"Recall-2" from 2006. The sound is clean and punchy in a
good way. No NR or hiss.
Not sure where the version came from.
But "Heroes", Golden Years" and even the single edit of
"TVC 15" all sound very nice.
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Posted: 22 September 2020 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote David Pro

The 45 version of "Fame" running
3:31 has never appeared on any
Bowie compilations released on CD.
It was, though, included in a
European compilation by K-Tel
titled The Best of Bowie
(not to be confused with the 2002
compilation Best of Bowie)
which was released in 1980.

https://www.discogs.com/David-
Bowie-The-Best-Of-
Bowie/master/49791
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Posted: 23 September 2020 at 1:34pm | IP Logged Quote garye

[QUOTE=David Pro] The 45 version of "Fame" running
3:31 has never appeared on any
Bowie compilations released on CD.
It was, though, included in a
European compilation by K-Tel
titled The Best of Bowie
(not to be confused with the 2002
compilation Best of Bowie)
which was released in 1980.

https://www.discogs.com/David-
Bowie-The-Best-Of-

David, my copy of "Fame" from the Recall 2 CD times at
3:34. First thought might have been pitched down, but
compared it to a 45 scratchy dub so pitch is the same.
The 45 times at 3:30 on fade out.
Not sure where the CD version I have comes from.


Edited by garye on 23 September 2020 at 1:34pm
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Posted: 24 September 2020 at 4:04pm | IP Logged Quote RamapoGrad

Nothing on CD sounds like the original RCA 45, which to
my ears has more impact and extra reverb on the vocals
compared to the LP mix.
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Posted: 25 September 2020 at 9:46am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Is there a mix difference?

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Posted: 27 September 2020 at 2:52pm | IP Logged Quote garye

Ok. I compared a RCA 45 dub, up against the version of
Fame from the Re:Call 2 CD version I have.
Couldn't tell much of difference.
Both have some reverb in the beginning, but sound the
same all the way through, even repeated listenings.
The only difference is the 45 dub timed out at 3:27
and the other version at 3:34.
The 45 rip fades out about 3 seconds earlier that the
CD rip.
The fade out times are about the same, just quicker
once it starts on the 45.
Hope this helps.
BTW both mixes are indentical to my ears.
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