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MMathews
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I much prefer the DJ Edit of this song as the 45 is a bit
long at almost 6 minutes.
Aaron was kind enough to send me a dub of the original
mono DJ Edit. I compared it to the stereo DJ Edit on the
Bartley "Collector's Essentials of the 70's" CD... and as
Hykker mentioned in another thread, it is not an exact
re-creation.
They got most of the edits basically correct but they
missed one detail.
In the actual DJ edit, in first chorus the words "to sit
by his throne - are you ready - not to be alone" are
taken from the third chorus and spliced into the first
chorus. Then it cuts back to the first chorus on the word
"someone's".
They missed that detail and also the DJ 45 is pitched
slower.
So just FYI it's a close re-creation but not quite.
MM
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I get that some people may want to re-create a totally
digital edit, but the short version was available in stereo
on some promo copies (I have one).
A bit off topic, but my hat is off to you guys who can pick
up on out-of-sequence edits so well.
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Could someone who has the promo 45 confirm that both the mono and stereo sides are the exact same edit points & sequence?
It is possible that the stereo DJ edit on the Bartley CD IS correct for the stereo side (I even heard a rumor that Bartley's crew dubbed it from vinyl).
(There were a couple of occasions where Columbia's edits were slightly different on the mono & stereo sides.)
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I will leave it for another set of ears to make a final determination here, but like other Columbia DJ edits reviewed from this era, the mono and stereo side of the DJ 45 don't exactly match. Some of the edits are slightly tighter or looser when you synch up the mono and stereo version, as if it was edited twice, once for mono, and again for stereo. (instead of just summing the stereo edit to mono)Speed is pretty close on both sides, the fade is slightly different with the stereo side starting it's fade a little earlier and lasting longer. Both sides are gone at the same point.
There is one audio difference to my ears on the mono side verses the stereo side. During the first "Are You Ready To Sit By A Throne", there is a cymbal hit behind that phrase. On the mono side, that cymbal hit plays completely. On the stereo side, the cymbal hit is clipped very early, which sounds to me like the editor chose a different point.
I hear that same cymbal clip on the Collector's Essentials of the 70's".
So I believe that the Collector's Essentials CD matches the stereo DJ 45.
I was told at the time of the CD's issue that a clean stereo DJ 45 was used for that transfer, but that might not be the case.
Side note: The Canadian stock 45 that I have is labeled Stereo with a label time of 2:40. In reality, it is the mono DJ edit run through a bass/treble simulated stereo process, and it slows down then speeds up in various places, so it doesn't synch up well with either the DJ stereo or mono sides.
So we need to call in a judge on this one..
Edited by Bill Cahill on 12 August 2015 at 2:05pm
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FYI - I thought I found a reissue with the edit of "Are You
Ready," but it was mislabeled.
The label says 2:40 but the track runs 5:47 in stereo.
This is on the gray Columbia Hall of Fame label, so I'd
guess it's an '80s-era reprint. Columbia 13-33219, with
deadwax reading "ZSP 158300-12 G1."
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Bill,
Very good points. I too wondered if the stereo side was
indeed the edit that appears on the Bartley CD. I leaned
toward assuming that in 1970 they'd only want to do this
edit once and simply fold it down for the mono.
But I should know by now, with these details you can't
assume anything. So many DJ 45's have small differences
between the mono and stereo sides. And you've found good
evidence that is the case here.
I can make an easy final determination if I get a dub of
the vinyl stereo DJ side. It's the only version I lack.
MM
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Mark, I have just shot you out a dub of the DJ 45 promo 45 copy I own for
Columbia 45158 that has the stereo short version on it. My other 1970 DJ
copy of the song included the stock 45 length on the stereo side, whereas
both promo copies include the song's short version on the mono side.
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Thanks Jim! I'll check it out tonight. MM
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I got sidetracked on this but I finally had time to
listen to Jim's absolutely mint stereo DJ 45 dub. Bill is
exactly correct. The mono and stereo sides are different
edits, and the copy on the Dick Bartley CD is the actual
stereo DJ 45 master. They sync perfectly.
So the database can be updated the read "(this is the
stereo DJ 45 edit)."
I've got to say I'm rather surprised that in 1970 they
went to the extensive effort to make this edited version
twice. It's not like the mixes are that different. In
fact I folded the stereo edit to mono and compared them
for mix differences and nothing stood out different
between them at all mix-wise, just different edits.
My theory is that they made the mono mix and edit, and
and were all set to service it to radio, and then someone
chimed in and said, "oh, we're sending this to FM
stations too so we're gonna need you do the edit in
stereo now". Sigh....ok, back the chopping block!
Thanks to Bill and Jim for helping sort this one out.
MM
Edited by MMathews on 26 November 2015 at 8:32pm
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MMathews wrote:
I've got to say I'm rather surprised that in 1970 they
went to the extensive effort to make this edited version
twice. It's not like the mixes are that different. In
fact I folded the stereo edit to mono and compared them
for mix differences and nothing stood out different
between them at all mix-wise, just different edits.
My theory is that they made the mono mix and edit, and
and were all set to service it to radio, and then someone
chimed in and said, "oh, we're sending this to FM
stations too so we're gonna need you do the edit in
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I read somewhere that the union rules at CBS were extremely
restrictive in those days, to the point where a mono issue
had to be a dedicated mix, not a folddown. Could that have
been the reason for the differences?
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Although they are very close, the mono mix does have some subtle
differences compared to a fold-down. I would say it is a dedicated mix.
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Hey, anyone know where to get the promo..I have the short
version of Aerosmith's DREAM ON from an official Sony
Columbia history (forogt exact name of compilation) from
Amazon.com
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P,S,Why didn't they just issue THAT as the official single
version,..?
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