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Posted: 20 May 2014 at 10:28am | IP Logged Quote edtop40

does anyone know when or if there will be a 10th edition of
'the billboard book of top 40 hits' coming out soon.....the
last one i have is the 9th edition which runs through mid
2009....they usually have one out every 4 or 5 years....the
8th edition ran through the end of 2003.....i tried calling
the publisher, crown books/random house in new york a few
times and left messages, but typically,
no one calls you back.....any direction would be
welcomed...

Edited by edtop40 on 20 May 2014 at 12:11pm


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Posted: 20 May 2014 at 2:46pm | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

Ed, there are no plans for a 10th edition and I doubt there will ever be one. You'd be better off to buy our Top Pop Singles book which covers 1955-2012 and is currently on sale for $59.95.

Edited by Paul Haney on 20 May 2014 at 2:48pm
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Posted: 20 May 2014 at 2:53pm | IP Logged Quote JMD1961

Sad to hear about that, though I've had problems with
this book since the early '90s. I know I'm being anal
about this, but I just have an issue with a book that
claims to document "Top 40" music, but ignores the actual
"Top 40" charts.

But that brings up another question I've had, Paul. Do
you know if there's any plans at all to collect data from
Billboard's Mainstream & Rhythmic Top 40 charts? I've
been doing my own research of the mainstream one, and I
think others might be interested to see the number of
titles that charted in that chart's top 40 that didn't on
the Hot 100. There have even been a couple that didn't
chart on the Hot 100 or Bubbling Under charts at all.

Any plans?
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Posted: 20 May 2014 at 6:25pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The current Pop Annual does indicate "AIR" next to songs that made
the Hot 100 Airplay chart but not the Hot 100.

I would LOVE to get a book with the Rhythmic chart info. Heck, I'll buy
two copies if it ever comes out.

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Posted: 20 May 2014 at 7:18pm | IP Logged Quote JMD1961

Yes. And that's a big plus, as it gives songs like No
Doubt's "Don't Speak" the attention it deserves. But I
was
talking about songs that were clear Top 40 radio hits
that
are not listed in the Top 40 hits book because they
didn't
get that high on the Hot 100 charts.

How often did it happen? Well, in 1993 alone, I found 24
titles that made the Mainstream Top 40 chart that are not
listed in the Billboard Book of Top 40 Hits.

That's why I'd like a separate book that collected the
data from Billboard's two "Top 40" charts. And yes, I'd
buy both in a heartbeat.

Edited by JMD1961 on 20 May 2014 at 7:25pm
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 5:07am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

I'd love to see a book on the Mainstream & Rhythmic Top 40 charts too. In fact, it's the only charts that we don't do a book for that I still actually get the charts for and paste-up in our in-house research books every week. The big problem I see with this is that those charts (as they are now) didn't start until 1992 and, quite frankly, there is just not much interest from our customers for much past the 1980s. What I think is more likely is that we'd do a book covering the Radio & Records charts, which would surely cover all of those "missing" Top 40 hits and much more. I'm also trying to float a possible book on the Gavin Report charts as those go all the way back to 1958 (R&R didn't start until 1973) and I've NEVER seen even a whiff of research done on those charts anywhere. With the recent success of our Cash Box and Record World books I'd say we're now more open than ever for new book options in the future.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 7:15am | IP Logged Quote 80smusicfreak

Paul Haney wrote:
With the recent success of our Cash Box and Record World books I'd say we're now more open than ever for new book options in the future.

Fantastic - so after 20+ years, I can FINALLY look forward to an R&B/Hip-Hop annual, based on the Billboard charts, Paul??? :-)
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 7:43am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

80smusicfreak wrote:
Fantastic - so after 20+ years, I can FINALLY look forward to an R&B/Hip-Hop annual, based on the Billboard charts, Paul??? :-)


Don't hold your breath. The problem with that one is that the Country Annual we published way back in 1998 didn't sell very well at all. Our regular Country books always sell better than the R&B books, so it stands to reason that an R&B Annual wouldn't sell what the Country Annual (poorly) sold. I know that's not what you wanted to hear, but that's the reality of the situation.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 7:53am | IP Logged Quote budaniel

I'm still waiting for a second, updated edition of the Dance charts book. I wore that thing OUT.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 10:20am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

budaniel wrote:
I'm still waiting for a second, updated edition of the Dance charts book. I wore that thing OUT.


Sorry, but that one is also a no-go at this time. We actually stopped researching that chart after that first edition came out.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote Smokin' TomGary

Speaking from experience of being an Associate Editor of an engineering handbook there are realities in publishing that must be faced. First, specialty books such as the ones referenced and the one I contributed to will never appear on the New York Times best seller list. Not due to lack of quality, but lack of quantity. Publishers want to sell as many copies as possible; it's business.
There is the author's time to research the material. Any fees to Billboard for use of their data (I don't know if, in fact, there are any). Entering the gathered data into a specific format for publication. The publisher has their costs. Shipping books to stores. Lastly, all concerned parties want to be paid; it's business.
By the time all the costs are added up the book becomes quite expensive. Now consider how much information is freely available online.
When examined from a business perspective it becomes more obvious why such publications are no longer available.
I, too, have enjoyed these publications over the years. Times change. Radio stations don't publish their Top 40 list. We don't go down to the record store to buy the latest 45's. Like the (sad) lyrics from the Fifth Dimension's "Ashes To Ashes" Long Tall Sally and Tin Pan Alley have seen their dying day. Amos and Andy and nickel candy have fallen to the gun.

Sorry to be so bleak, just offering a perspective from someone who has been down the road, albeit in a different topic.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 4:49pm | IP Logged Quote JMD1961

Paul Haney wrote:
What I think is more likely is that
we'd do a book covering the Radio & Records charts, which
would surely cover all of those "missing" Top 40 hits and
much more.


Yes, that would indeed catch the majority of those hits,
and I can guarantee you at least one sale if you do that
book. I've thoroughly enjoyed both my Cash Box and Record
World books.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 7:22pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40

since the likelihood of the 10th edition of 'the billboard
book of top 40 hits' ever being issued is low, i'm
currently creating an addendum to the 9th addition in the
same format, text, style and feel as the 9th edition....it
will basically be a running addendum which i will update
and post each weeks changes.....if anyone would like a
copy, please feel free to let me know and i will send
one.....i'll need to check with pat if i can set a link to
the file.....stay tuned!!

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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 10:32pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

edtop40 wrote:
i'm
currently creating an addendum to the 9th addition in the
same format, text, style and feel as the 9th edition....it
will basically be a running addendum which i will update
and post each weeks changes.....


Why? Everything that would be in a 10th edition is already
contained in "Top Pop Singles." It's in the same format as
the "Top 40" books, listed by artist -- it just includes
the entire Top 100 instead of just the Top 40.
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Posted: 21 May 2014 at 10:45pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Paul Haney wrote:
The big problem I see with this is that those charts (as they are now) didn't start until 1992 and, quite frankly, there is just not much interest from our customers for much past the 1980s.

Does this also mean that after your current consumer base is long gone (in retirement homes or six-feet under), there really is no more interest in chart books? If so, that blows my mind. I do realize that younger generations likely get their info from the Internet more often than buying books, so I'd like to think that it's simply the medium rather than a lack of interest.

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Posted: 22 May 2014 at 2:01am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

aaronk wrote:
Does this also mean that after your current consumer base is long gone (in retirement homes or six-feet under), there really is no more interest in chart books? If so, that blows my mind. I do realize that younger generations likely get their info from the Internet more often than buying books, so I'd like to think that it's simply the medium rather than a lack of interest.


Well Aaron, I certainly hope that our current customer base has a lot of years left in them yet! Also, I'm pretty sure that they let folks have books in retirement homes...but seriously, I don't know how many younger folks even follow the charts anymore. I'm 48 years-old and I always felt like I was on the younger-end of the chart fanatic spectrum. I hope I'm wrong and that there's a new generation of chart watchers coming up, but I don't see a ton of evidence to support it (at least not in the numbers that grew-up in the heyday of Top 40 radio).

Edited by Paul Haney on 22 May 2014 at 2:04am
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That is an interesting question/observation. I've always checked out the weekly Billboard Hot 100 since the '70s, when I first discovered it. I imagine many other posters on this board have done (or did) the same thing since their teenage years, whenever that may be. For me, that meant looking at the physical hard copy, whether it be in stores or the many years I had my own subscription (which was roughly $300 annually). I'd like to think there are as many people now checking out Billboard's Hot 100 every week, albeit for free, online, since a consumer no longer has to pay to look at this chart. So the question is ... are there any many teenage/young chart nuts now as there were decades ago?
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Paul, do you still research peak positions of the Hot 100 Airplay chart? The
last time I recall seeing that data was as supplementary info for each
applicable post-1984 title in the 2002 Top Pop Singles book. What with the
varying and confusing ways they get songs on to the Hot 100 these days, the
raw airplay stats might be interesting to include.
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Posted: 22 May 2014 at 5:35am | IP Logged Quote edtop40

brian.....some of us like only the top 40 info and do not
care for the songs that peaked below #40.....having all
that extra clutter is not what i'm looking for......i
understand physical books are becoming less popular because
of the internet, but having the data in a spreadsheet form
works for me.....which is what i'm working on....and if
someone wants to print it and attach it to their 9th
edition book, that's partially why i'm doing it.....

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I still have my first edition of the Top 40 book that I purchased in 1984 (Holy smokes, that was 30 years ago!!). It was 510 pages, and the price tag is still on it: $14.95.
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