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Posted: 23 April 2013 at 5:56pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40

my commercial 45 for the otis redding song 'respect' issued
as volt 128 states the run time on the label as 2:06 but
actually runs 2:04.....you'll need to do a real quick fade
for 0:05 from 1:59 to 2:04 to effectively re-create the
vinyl 45 version........

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Posted: 22 April 2014 at 10:19pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

The database states the following general comment for Otis Redding's "Respect":

(there are two different pressings of this 45, each with a different vocal take and mix)

However, there is currently no indication as to which of these 45 versions appear on CD. I very recently picked up a copy of Otis Redding's Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (collector's edition) 2-CD set on Atco/Rhino 422140 and it contains four versions of "Respect" (as shown in the database):
    • a 2:06 mono version in which the printed track listing on the back of this release states: "Mono Mix of Stereo Album Version"
    • a 2:17 mono version
    • the 2:06 stereo LP version
    • a 1967 rerecording running 1:48
    Does anyone know if the two mono versions on this set running 2:06 and 2:17, respectively, reflect the two different 45 pressings?
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    Posted: 26 April 2014 at 9:49am | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

    Anybody?
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    Posted: 05 July 2014 at 8:56pm | IP Logged Quote KentT

    Yes, they do. The 2:17 is the authentic mono Volt 45 as
    originally released.

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    Posted: 07 July 2014 at 9:34pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

    Thank you very much for confirming this, KentT. Much appreciated!
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    Posted: 06 May 2022 at 2:45am | IP Logged Quote davidclark

    Following up on this (8 years later...), seems only ONE cd has this 2:17
    version, your "Otis Blue/Otis Redding Sings Soul (collector's edition)".
    Strange, if this is the "authentic" mono Volt 45 but all other CDs have the
    2:06 version. Pop Annual uses the 2:06 timing.



    Todd, I think you may have err'd when you indicated that it's the 2:06
    version that is the "Mono Mix Of Stereo Album Version". According to
    discogs, the CD back insert shows this as track 1-14 the "2:17" version.



    I think that track 1-02 on that CD is "a" mono 45 and mono LP version,
    while track 2-02 is the stereo LP version and track 1-14 is the stereo LP
    version in mono running longer.



    So, what remains is does ANYONE have a 2:17 45 and if so, what version is
    it? Perhaps this 2nd 45 is simply the stereo LP version (in a mono mix)?

    Edited by davidclark on 06 May 2022 at 2:53am


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    Posted: 06 May 2022 at 9:21am | IP Logged Quote mjb50

    The "Mono Mix Of Stereo Album Version" (track 1-14) on that 2xCD release is also designated as "previously unreleased", for what it's worth.

    YouTube rips of people playing the Volt 45:

    This one (click) runs about 2:04 and has vocal "you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33 (0:38 in this video).

    This one (click) runs about 2:02 and has vocal "do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33 (0:53 in this video). This matches what's on my Respect CD (Rhino 71430).

    Of course, no guarantees they have the playback speed right, so the durations are approximate.

    Edited by mjb50 on 06 May 2022 at 9:23am
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    Posted: 06 May 2022 at 11:02am | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

    One more data point...

    I have mono versions on some common CDs (the Atlantic Rhythm And Blues 1947-1974 box sets from 1985 and 1991, the Complete Stax-Volt Singles 1959-1968 box from 1991, Rhino's Very Best Of from 1992, and Rhino's cheapie '60s Sixties Rock Classics Vol. 1 from 1994). These mono versions are all the "do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33 (second YouTube link above).

    I have stereo versions on two CDs (Warner Special Products' Otis Redding collection Ultimate from 1986, and JCI's Dance Sixties from 1988). Both of these are the "you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33 (first YouTube link above).

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    Posted: 06 May 2022 at 11:26am | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

    More data points...

    The stereo version ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33; first YouTube link above) is on the 1987 3-CD box set The Otis Redding Story. The liner notes are hard to read from the Discogs scan, but I think they say "An earlier mono version was released as a single August 5, 1965".

    The first YouTube link ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33) is for a 1968 rerelease of the 45 (Volt OS 13097), with "Pain In My Heart" as the B-side. The surface ticks and pops in the video are in mono, so we can't tell from the video if this 1968 45 is in stereo or mono.

    The second YouTube link ("do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33) is for the 1965 release of the 45 (Volt 128), with "Ole Man Trouble" as the B-side.

    I'm tentatively proposing:

    The common-on-CD mono version ("do me wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33) is the hit 45 version from 1965.

    The stereo version ("you can do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33) was not the hit version, and was on the 1968 rerelease of the 45. Unsure if the 1968 45 was in stereo or mono. Unsure where the stereo version came from originally (stereo LP version?)

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    Posted: 06 May 2022 at 6:39pm | IP Logged Quote davidclark

    Wow! Happy to wake up this morning to all this! thanks, guys.

    I support these conclusions. Indeed, YouTube can be great for helping us
    get to the bottom of these anomalies by having actual 45s playing! I would
    also conclude that the "you can do me wrong, honey" version is the stereo
    LP version.

    I found two 45s with that "second" label on discogs, one is the 45 you
    mention above with "Pain In My Heart" as the b-side

    (https://www.discogs.com/release/11782661-Otis-Redding-Respe ct-Pain-
    In-My-Heart-). Discogs dates this as 1968, but I can't seem to find other
    45s with that label design to compare. It's also showing (undated) with the
    original b-side "Ole Man Trouble"

    (https://www.discogs.com/release/11146797-Otis-Redding-Respe ct-Ole-
    Man-Trouble).



    p.s...sorry for the "broken" links...posting from safari has been screwy this

    last while.

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    Posted: 07 May 2022 at 6:05am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

    I'm still confused...

    Was the "Do me wrong", the 45, on the mono vinyl 'Otis
    Blue' LP and the "You can do me wrong" on the stereo
    version of the vinyl 'Otis Blue' LP?

    Thanks for any info!

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    Posted: 07 May 2022 at 9:25pm | IP Logged Quote mjb50

    The stereo LP has "You can do me wrong", and the opening bars have a loud shaker + quiet crash cymbal on every beat, instead of loud cymbal and no shaker.

    My understanding is that the mono LP has the original single version with "do me wrong", loud cymbal, no shaker.

    I don't have any of the original-era records to verify.

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    Posted: 11 June 2022 at 5:57am | IP Logged Quote KentT

    mjb50 wrote:
    The "Mono Mix Of Stereo Album Version"
    (track 1-14) on that 2xCD release is also designated as
    "previously unreleased", for what it's worth.

    YouTube rips of people playing the Volt 45:

    This
    one (click)
    runs about 2:04 and has vocal "you can
    do me wrong, honey, if you want it" at 0:33 (0:38 in this
    video).

    This
    one (click)
    runs about 2:02 and has vocal "do me
    wrong, honey, if you want to" at 0:33 (0:53 in this
    video). This matches what's on my Respect CD
    (Rhino 71430).

    Of course, no guarantees they have the playback speed
    right, so the durations are approximate.



    Second 45 is original label, the first pressing is a
    later label design. My example used for reference is also
    a PL (Plastic Products) pressing from Memphis, TN, which
    is what Tennessee and Georgia 45 buyers got. The second
    pressing using the original label is when versions were
    switched. I also have one of those pressings, also from
    PL (Plastic Products). That copy is the same audio as
    that later label design.

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