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CSG required Stereo safe cartridges, lighter weight
tracking forces, and good tonearms. Same as playing a
Stereo LP or 45 did. Folded down to mono, but not safely
playable on most mono cartridges but very, very few.
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According to our friend AnotherProf, who has posted the 45 of Beach Boys -
Friends, it plays mono. The list here states it was a stereo 45.
I know stereo 45s from Capitol become quite common in 1969, especially after
they'd changed to the red and orange label, but I've never seen a stereo 45 on
the yellow orange swirl label.
So, do we have a case of some 45s were in stereo while others were mono
here?
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davidclark wrote:
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David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and orange swirl label is in true stereo, even though there's no indication on the label that it is, including the matrix number prefix.
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I notice that James Brown's "I'm Black And I'm Proud"
isn't on the list and it was a top 10 single.
My question is: was the 45 a stereo or mono release, or
were there both? I have read that it was his first
stereo single.
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Grant, "Say It Loud - I'm Black And I'm Proud (Part 1)" is on the list, under "Brown, James" (as opposed to "Brown, James and the Famous Flames".)
This 45 was previously discussed on page 2 of this very thread. My stock copy is mono, and you'd originally stated in an earlier thread that yours was stereo. In this case, the only way to tell for sure would be to give the record a listen, since none of the King label variations pictured under the 45cat listing for this 45 state "stereo".
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Yah Shure wrote:
davidclark wrote:
I've never seen a stereo 45 on the
yellow orange swirl label. |
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David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and
orange swirl label is in true stereo, even though there's no indication on the
label that it is, including the matrix number prefix. |
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Nice to know. I've asked the prof about his YouTube post - why it plays mono.
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more info: someone on the Hoffman board states that "Friends" was mixed to
mono specifically for the US 45.
https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/beach-boys-friends-in -mono.183396/
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Yah Shure wrote:
David, my copy of the Beach Boys' "I
Can Hear Music" 45 on the yellow and orange swirl
label is in true stereo, even though there's no
indication on the label that it is, including the
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As is my promo. I have several other Capitol 45s from
that time period (on the target label) and the promo
is mono, but the stock is stereo.
I've always wondered if ICHM is true stereo or
(E)...has anyone much better at this sort of thing
analyzed this?
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Hykker wrote:
I've always wondered if ICHM is true
stereo or (E)...has anyone much better at this sort of
thing analyzed this?
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Well, I don't own the first pressing 45, but the
stereo version of "I Can Hear Music" is definitely
true stereo!
What's interesting about it, is the way it was mixed
was about 18 years ahead of its time, in that most of
the sound layers seem to sound individually mixed in
stereo, as opposed to the then-common stereo mixing
technique of, say, rhythm guitar in the left, lead
guitar in the right, bass and vox in the center,
reverb send to the right, etc.
It really harkened back to the prime of Phil Spector's
mono production heyday, albeit in stereo,
I believe Carl Wilson produced the session.
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AndrewChouffi wrote:
What's interesting about it, is the way it was mixed
was about 18 years ahead of its time, in that most of
the sound layers seem to sound individually mixed in
stereo, as opposed to the then-common stereo mixing
technique of, say, rhythm guitar in the left, lead
guitar in the right, bass and vox in the center,
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That's kind of what made me question it...it's so
unlike most other stereo from the late 60s. Had I not
had the 45 since it was current I would have suspected
a CD era remix.
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Yes, listening to it on speakers the soundstage might
appear narrow.
But listening to it on headphones it's a whole new
world. One can hear some vocals are panned nearly hard-
left while similar vocals are near hard-right,
tambourines in each channel (as opposed to one in the
phantom-center channel).
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davidclark wrote:
According to our friend AnotherProf,
who has posted the 45 of Beach Boys -
Friends, it plays mono. The list here states it was a
stereo 45. |
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My (promo) copy of "Friends" is mono, I don't have a
commercial copy to compare.
I read somewhere (maybe on an old usenet forum) that
some copies of Glen Campbell's "I Wanna Live" were
stereo. I've never come across one, mine's mono.
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In addition to the discovery that there were indeed mono copies of "Friends", it
seems we have yet another issue, this one with (1969) Unifics - The Beginning
Of My End. If the person in the know regarding the info that it is stereo can
confirm it is indeed stereo, then seems we have another "stereo and mono"
45. It never ends.... :)
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