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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 1:05pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Sad news...

According to this article,

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2011/11/15/music-lovers-prepare- to-say-goodbye-to-the-cd/?ncid=webmail1

the end of the CD era will probably be 2013, as all the major labels are now supposedly planning to drop the CD format altogether by that year, with the exception of a few limited edition CDs of only the superstar acts (which I guess would be acts like Lady Gaga, Beyonce, etc.)

I point this out because the name of Pat's database and books are "Top 40 Music on Compact Disc", and if this really does happen within a year or so, there will be very little news to ever post on this board anymore.

But perhaps, Pat could change the name of his database to "Top 40 Music in Digital Format".

Of course, that would mean Pat would have to include recordings in the iTunes database that might not already be in Pat's database of albums. And if Pat's not willing or interested in doing that, then I guess the database will eventually reach its "final chapter" (with just an occasional update here or there).

I'd like to hope this DOESN'T come true, but when you think of fate of the LP, the 8-track, the 45, the (pre-recorded) cassette, it's only logical that the CD format would be next.

NOTE: to get to the link I am trying to include above, you must remove the space before the word "to". For some reason, Pat's software is automatically adding it there, and no matter how I try to remove it and/or get around it, Pat's software will not allow me to fix this link without adding a space somewhere where it doesn't belong.



Edited by EdisonLite on 16 November 2011 at 1:10pm
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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 4:46pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

Well, I am not sure if the demise of the compact disc is
a little pre-mature or not. Can't say for sure yet,
although it certainly is a hurting format.
As for Pat's database, i'd always want to be a member
because even cd's stopped today, i'd always want a
resource like this to see where songs WERE issued on
disc.

Additionally, i'd only find it an even more valuable
resource if online-digital-only albums were started to be
included. Just my take on it.

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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 5:16pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

While articles like this are sobering to those of us who still prefer purchasing our favorite music on a "permanent" physical medium like the compact disc, I think predictions of the CD's demise in 2013 are a bit premature considering that, according to a Nielsen Soundscan mid-year report, CDs still comprise 66% of all album sales and are on pace to sell a total of over 200 million units by the end of 2011. (Source: Nashville Business Journal). That's still a lot of CDs!

I've also been reading that CD sales are still far more profitable than digital downloads for the record labels and therefore I believe the compact disc will remain a viable format longer than most people think. Regardless, I've been purchasing as many CDs as my finances will allow in recent years because I've been seeing a growing number of catalog titles going out-of-print and I suspect they will continue to do so in the not-to-distant future.

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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 6:21pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man

I went and it said the page is gone. Can anyone bring un a
cached version?

According to what you posted, Edisonlite, if the labels are
planning to stop production of the CD, it tells me that
they want to end it so they can control content and make
more money off downloads. There is talk of introducing
lossless files on iTunes next year. That the article has
been removed tells me that the labels don't want any blow-
back from this.

Edited by The Hits Man on 16 November 2011 at 6:27pm


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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 8:13pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

No, I just checked and the article is still there. I guess you didn't notice my note on the bottom of my post. You have to remove the space before the word "to" in the link I included. Pat's software adds the space and there was no way for me to take it out afterward.
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Posted: 16 November 2011 at 9:41pm | IP Logged Quote Santi Paradoa

With four major labels left (or is it three now with EMI selling to Universal) we are getting closer to a monopoly which means eventually they can do practically anything they want whenever they want. The consumer is the loser unfortunately. That's why these small boutique/indie labels are our best bet for now when it comes to getting rare unreleased music for collectors. In the meantime, I'm snapping up every disc I need/want asap whether new releases vanish in 2013 or 2031. Thank goodness for used CDs is all I can say.

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Posted: 21 November 2011 at 2:58am | IP Logged Quote davidclark

I see Pat is now including the comment "..available only as a digital
download" for tracks available only as such. Would it not mean that the
Gene Pitney tracks in mono should also be included in the database as
well?

I would want to know if key tracks are available as digital downloads. An
example is the Gene Pitney mono tracks on iTunes (such as the 45 of "I'm
Gonna Be Strong"). If that is the only way I can get it, then I will pay for
the download. Seems the world is transitioning more and more to
downloading songs/movies.

In addition, with me on an extended leave abroad, it is not so easy to
obtain CDs here, so I have to be content with listening to my MP3d
collection from my MacBook Pro, and, getting songs digitally.

Edited by davidclark on 21 November 2011 at 3:03am


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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 8:16am | IP Logged Quote KentT

MP3 is unacceptable for me to pay for. Must be in Apple
Lossless or FLAC in full CD resolution or higher. MP3
unacceptable for pro use or for audiophiles.

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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 10:16am | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

I completely agree, KentT. I doubt I'll ever convert from CDs to digital downloads until .wav files are made widely available.

What's the latest as far as availability of Apple Lossless and FLAC in full CD resolution goes?

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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 10:52am | IP Logged Quote davidclark

I too prefer CDs over digital downloads always. However, since in the
particular case of the 45 version of "I'm Gonna Be Strong", it seems to be
available ONLY as a digital download, I will indeed download it to enjoy
listening to it.

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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 11:48am | IP Logged Quote prisdeej

@KentT. I wouldn't mind broadcasting high quality MP3's as
long as the source material and codecs are correct. Good
source material sounds close to me, no?

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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 12:02pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man

Gee! What happened to the 2012 prediction? Can't wait for
the 2014 prediction!

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Posted: 07 January 2012 at 6:59pm | IP Logged Quote Smokin' TomGary

The music industry is a business. There is a cost incurred by pressing, packaging, and delivering physical media. Not so with downloads. As a collector of CD's, I used to make frequent trips to NYC shopping in the Village for promo CD singles. I stopped doing that a few years ago due to lack of available product. People with iPads, etc. are not going to carry around a bunch of CD's to listen to.

I have long been employed in the radio broadcast engineering profession. We used to be serviced with many promo CD singles. Hardly any today. It's all downloads. We get lossless cuts from the record companies. We had one Music Director years ago who preferred that. No CD to select the wrong cut, scratch or steal. While I prefer to have a physical media (i.e. CD) I do believe that it will no longer be a viable media. Proof? Tower, Virgin, etc. No more retail stores. I'd be surprised if many of the small stores I used to shop at in the Village were still around.
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Posted: 08 January 2012 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote bwolfe

Its a shame that people today will take the lousy quality of an mp3 over a wav file. I'm much like the NRA...you'll have to pull away my CD's and vinyl from my cold dead hands!!! I love good sound...there's a BIG loss with mp3s.


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Posted: 08 January 2012 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote Hykker

Smokin' TomGary wrote:
We used to be serviced with many promo CD singles. Hardly any today. It's all downloads. We get lossless cuts from the record companies. We had one Music Director years ago who preferred that. No CD to select the wrong cut, scratch or steal.


How many stations still play physical CDs/records/tapes on the air as opposed to a music-on-hard-drive system? I only know of one, and they're a very old-school small market station that's mostly talk anyway. It's been over 15 years since I've worked somewhere that didn't have their music on hard drive.
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Posted: 09 January 2012 at 7:34am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Yes, but do they load WAV files or mp3s into their hard drive?
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See below article.... For the first time, digital albums outsell CDs:



http://austin.culturemap.com/newsdetail/01-06-12-22-09-digit al-albums-outsell-cds-neilsen-billboard-announce-music-indus try-growth-in-11/
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Posted: 09 January 2012 at 12:13pm | IP Logged Quote Hykker

EdisonLite wrote:
Yes, but do they load WAV files or mp3s into their hard drive?


Most, if not all modern automation systems use .wav files (with additonal headers that contain title/artist/etc.), though this was not always the case. In the 90s, when hard drives were expensive and (relatively) small, various (often proprietary) compression schemes were used, Scott Studios and Maestro (the two I'm most familiar with) used APT-X (though the header info was not compatible since at the time they were separate companies). The first station I worked at that used Scott had a whopping 9G of storage space!

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Posted: 09 January 2012 at 1:51pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Sadly, though, most programmers and music directors can't hear the
different between wav and mp3 (people on this board excluded), so even if
they load the songs in as wav files, that doesn't mean the files they use are
all lossless to begin with. Some of them may even be under the impression
that loading in an mp3 to their wav file system makes it sound better in the
process.

I can say for certain that at previous stations where I've worked, the
automation systems recorded in wav files, but the MD had no problem
loading in an mp3 that was sent via email from the label. Also, as we've
seen, sometimes even the official promo CDs used mp3s as the source. It's
frustrating, but that's the reality.

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Posted: 09 January 2012 at 2:38pm | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

You'll still find some records and CDs at the left end of
the dial. For non-mainstream music formats and specialty
shows, we tend to still bring in crates of CDs and/or
records.

A lot of the issues boil down to convenience. Hopefully,
the station is running software that allows searches.
Ours doesn't (to my dismay), so a lot of us programmers
bring in our laptops with better software and properly
tagged files. (Tags tags tags! Essential! But you guys
already know that.)

Interesting that this thread started now, since I'm in
the process of getting most of my library onto my laptop
hard drive. I'd like to bring the laptop down to the
station every week instead of two heavy creates of CD-
R's. The sound may not be as good as from the CDs, but
it's WAY more convenient, and my back isn't getting any
younger.

I'm usually a stickler for sound quality, but I think 320
kbps mp3s may work OK for radio. We have a 256 kbps live
stream, so there won't be much of a difference between
flac and 320 kbps for the stream listeners. And no one
will notice over our FM signal.
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