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Posted: 28 November 2004 at 8:05am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

Has the 3:51 single edit of this appeared on CD yet? Pat says the 3:56 version on Razor & Tie's "Disco Fever" is an edit of the LP version that does not quite match the 45.
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Posted: 01 December 2004 at 8:35am | IP Logged Quote 80smusicfreak

As you may already know, on August 24, a new and
much-welcomed "Greatest Hits" CD by S.O.S. Band was
released here in the U.S. on Virgin/The Right Stuff
72435-97449-2-6. As a long-time fan of the group, I of
course bought it the week it came out...

Unlike 1995's "The Best of..." (which I also have,
although long out-of-print), which featured the 7:39 LP
version of the song, the new collection contains what is
claimed to be "Take Your Time (Do it Right) (Part 1)", or
the single edit that you seek. However, the version on
"Greatest Hits" clocks in at just 3:14, not 3:51.
Admittedly, I've never owned the 45, but it sure sounds
like the single edit to me (e.g., it lacks the male vocal
chants of "let's do it!" at the very beginning, the
extended instrumental break in the middle, etc.), which
I've had for years on other V/A compilations that were
never released on CD. Perhaps this is another example of
the timing on the original 45s being mislabeled (3:51,
when it really ran about 3:14)??? Hopefully Pat can
double-check...
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Posted: 01 December 2004 at 5:26pm | IP Logged Quote davidclark

how long is the version on Rhino's Billboard Top Hits 1980, and, is it the single? Mine is packed in a box due to move so can not check.

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"Take Your Time (Do It Right) Part 1" which is the 45 version has yet to appear on a domestic cd. The 45 runs 3:50 by actual timing and is not the same version as found on the Billboard Top Hits of 1980 which runs (3:29) nor is it found on the new "Greatest Hits" cd mentioned above which runs (3:14).

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Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:45am | IP Logged Quote 80smusicfreak

Thanks for the input, Pat. Frankly, I'm a bit surprised
(and a little disappointed) to now know that the version
of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)" on the new "Greatest
Hits" collection isn't the complete single edit, even
though the wording on the CD itself suggests otherwise -
a tad misleading, eh? But I guess that's one of the big
reasons most of us bought your book in the first place.
:-) I will say this: The version on "Greatest Hits"
definitely starts out identical to the single, so my
conclusion is that it's the 45 version faded :36 early.
Nevertheless, I still highly recommend the new CD to fans
of classic '70s and '80s funk, as it's without a doubt
the best (and most complete) S.O.S. Band collection
released to date...
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Posted: 03 December 2004 at 10:32am | IP Logged Quote Pat Downey

The version on "Greatest Hits" does indeed match the 45 for about 1:20 but then deviates from the 45. It is not the 45 version faded early!
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Posted: 03 December 2004 at 8:28pm | IP Logged Quote 80smusicfreak

Thanks for setting the record straight - I guess that
means this previously unavailable 3:14 mix of "Take Your
Time (Do it Right)" will be designated as "(neither the
45, LP or 12" single version)" in the 11th edition of
your book. :-) But it also begs the following: When the
record labels use (or license) the recordings to make
these new CD compilations, wouldn't it just be a whole
lot easier to use the masters w/ the original 45, LP, or
12" version of the song in question, rather than use or
create these "new" mixes, or whatever??? And in the case
of "Take Your Time (Do it Right)", according to the book,
there are already two additional versions of the song
that clock in at 3:29/3:30 and 4:37 that are also
"(neither the 45, LP or 12" single version)". I mean,
fading the 45, LP, or 12" version of a song early is
easy, and sometimes understandable - but all-new mixes???
(And a quick scan of the book reveals that this practice
is apparently somewhat common, not just w/ the S.O.S.
Band.) And w/ a total running time of 79:08, I'm sure it
wouldn't have been too hard to find room for the extra
:36 that it would've required for the record label to
squeeze the true 3:50 45 version of "Take Your Time (Do
it Right)" (by far the group's biggest hit, after all) on
"Greatest Hits", no???
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Posted: 12 January 2005 at 12:18pm | IP Logged Quote budaniel

anyone know what the difference is between the 12" version and the album version? I have both on CD, and I really can't distinguish the difference. Thanks
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Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:19pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40

has anyone tried to re-create the true 45 version with music editing software???

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Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:35pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

It cannot be done. The mix on the 45 is different from the album and 12" versions. Unless someone knows of a source that uses the same mix, we'll have to keep hoping that the 45 version gets released someday.

On a side note, I have this song from TM Century, and their version is the same mix as the 45, but it's edited differently. I'm not sure what their source is, but it's definitely not vinyl. I think they might have pulled this from Rhino 70276 The Disco Years, Vol. 5, but I don't have this CD to verify. Also posted above, the song is on the SOS Band GH compilation disc, which uses the same mix as the 45, but it's also not edited correctly.

Unfortunately, it's not just the spoken vocal "let's do it" that differs from the 45. It is mixed differently throughout the whole song, so you can't splice on parts of the LP version to create the 45.
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Posted: 07 August 2005 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Whoops! The mix that's on TM's disc is not even the same as the 45 mix. It's missing the spoken vocal on the intro, but it's also missing some percussion---the instrument that sounds like someone is banging silverware on a glass...very technical, I know.

So, it appears that there are three mixes of this song. The 45 mix, the LP mix, and whatever this other mix is that I just described.
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Posted: 07 August 2005 at 10:35pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

I've looked and looked. Unfortunately, for some reason, this song has not appeared on very many compilations. Maybe our Canadian member, David Clark, has a source... There have been all sorts of things that have come out on Canadian comps over the years that have never been relesed in the US.
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Posted: 04 September 2005 at 11:26pm | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

What about the alleged 4:57 version that's on "Superstars of 70s Soul" boxed set? Is that even the same mix as the 45???
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Posted: 12 December 2005 at 3:48pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Let me revisit this thread again to answer Brian's question... No, the "Superstars of 70s Soul" box has some edit or early fade of the LP version. Also, the TM Century disc that I reference above uses the same version as Billboard Top Hits 1980...which has no spoken "let's do it" vocals at the beginning, but it's missing some percussion and is edited differently.
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Posted: 12 December 2005 at 5:57pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

Hi

This is to address 80smusicfreak's question about sources. Having now worked on a few oldies v/a comps with a seasoned professional, I now know some answers to the often asked "why don't they just...."

In this case it can be an ownership issue. The master for the 45 version is most likely sitting in a vault somewhere owned by a label that no longer has any right to issue it. I'm going from memory, but i think this was issued on Tabu, but distributed by CBS. That master would now be in a Sony vault. Wherever masters exist for the current rights-owners, the 45 master is likely not there. Tapes are often not turned over when licenses expire, or music changes hands.
For you to ever hear it again, two things would need to happen.
1) The producers of the new compilation would have to WANT to release the original single, and should procure a 45 so they know what version that is.
2) They would then have to contact Sony SP and pay for a dub of that master (if its still playable). This would be more likely to happen if one already has an aquaintance at the SP division who could do this.

That's just one scenerio, there are many others. The truth is most reissue producers don't necessarily favor any particular version, or just may not have all the info, and haven't done their homework. Many just take whatever source they are sent, even if incorrectly labeled (happens all the time). Many also do the obvious and use other cd's as sources.

And as a side note, one v/a 70's comp i worked on contained 2 45 versions where the master had to be gotten the way I just described. The current owners/licensors of the songs had no masters other than the LP's, and the 45's could not be edited from them.
The label owner called the vault guys for the original issuing labels directly, and had the original 45 masters found by their matrix numbers. They were untouched in all these years, and had to be baked. But they sounded great!

So, hope this info gives you insight into how some of these 45 versions (or any versions) go overlooked. There are other reasons as well - each case can be different.   
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MMathews wrote:
And as a side note, one v/a 70's comp i worked on contained 2 45 versions where the master had to be gotten the way I just described. The current owners/licensors of the songs had no masters other than the LP's, and the 45's could not be edited from them.
The label owner called the vault guys for the original issuing labels directly, and had the original 45 masters found by their matrix numbers. They were untouched in all these years, and had to be baked. But they sounded great!


Any chance you'd be willing to divulge what compilation that was?

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Posted: 13 December 2005 at 5:13pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

Ok, i could see where where I'd raise a curiousity about what disc.
"Hard To Find 45's Vol. 8 - Seventies Pop Classics" on Eric.
Next question; which 2 songs?
"Rivers Of Babylon", originally on Sire, was in the Warner vault. "Fool (If You Think It's Over)" was in the EMI vault.

But i can say for sure that if Bill at Eric put out the Hall & Oates song, a 45 would have sent directly to Tom (the mastering engineer) and if the wrong dub was sent from BMG, he would make them look for the right master. If it wasn't found, Tom would've edited the 12" (if that would do it) and create it. If all else fails - he'd use a disc dub, but only with no other choice (that's rare).

Bill has no immediate plans for anymore 70's or 80's v/a comps though. However he does take requests via email and at the labels' site. He promises that if he gets enough requests for a song or package, he'll try and do it. (keep in mind licensing takes a 10,000 unit minimum, sometimes 25,000...food for thought).
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Posted: 13 December 2005 at 5:59pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94

I have that compilation. Nice work.

Too bad he doesn't have immediate plans to do any more 70s/80s comps, though--I always was a 70s music freak.

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Stock 45 on this arrived today. Listed and actual time is 3:15. Deadwax is AA-AF-Z59-5522-3.

**Edit** Just realized this is a Canadian label 45. So, I apparently don't have the 'hit' 45 version?

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Posted: 08 December 2007 at 10:53pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

I'm betting this is a reissue of some kind. It appears to match the greatest hits version. Does someone have a copy of the actual 45 version to compare it to?
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