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Thanks, Mark. Maybe someone can help Varese or Rhino put the correct version on an upcoming CD, like Varese did with "Knock On Wood"?
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Now from 1979, I have the K-Tel complilation "Starflight", and the track is included. If anyone also has it, can they verify that it's the true 45-rpm version?
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I just bypassed all of this and did a needledrop of the 45
and was done with it.
Here's a YouTube vid of the 45 I found:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYCsquroC80
The single can be reconstructed from the album version.
Edited by The Hits Man on 30 July 2012 at 8:11am
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Not to beat a dead horse, so to speak... but i really
wanted a sound upgrade on this.
So (thanks to Santi) i was able to reconstruct the
correct 45 from the CD LP version.
Yes, i could have asked Aaron for his copy, as his
recreations are always perfect, but i would have denied
myself hours of fun trying to get this thing right.
To do these re-constructions correctly, i always compare
the tracks in my editor as mono files, one in left
channel and one in the right. I've found for me it's the
only way to really be sure. This way, even your cut is
off by one beat, it jumps out at you.
Well, i'll tell ya, they picked some WEIRD places to make
the cuts. It's no surprise to me that no one over at BMG
ever tried to really duplicate it (since i assume their
old master is long lost.)
There are no less than 3 edits that are *in-between* drum
beats - very unusual, and lots of them are on snare beats
instead of the obvious places you's expect.
Just had to share that.
Anyway, thanks Santi and Ed for the help with it!
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Well, I have the 45 you could have used.
Anyway, Mark, I often encounter cuts that are made on the
snare hit. In a lot of cases, it makes sense.
The trickiest edit I ever had to reconstruct was the
second to the last cut on Teddy Pendergrass' "Close The
Door". To this day, i'm not sure how I did it. It was
purely by accident, but I nailed it, and this is when I
first started editing on, believe it or not, a cassette
deck using the pause button! The trick in those days was
to get the feel for the mechanical pause button. When I
got into digital editing, I just transferred that
cassette to DAT, and later copied the DAT onto a computer
for archiving. To this day, my 45 edit is that original
cassette copy, as I haven't found the need to redo it
with software.
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You are all well aware that the version on Rhino's The Disco Years Vol. 2 (1990) is an incorrect attempt to recreate the 45, or at least create a short version of the song. It does sound great, though, and runs at the proper tempo of the 45 (123.2 BPM).
There are a whole lot of CDs that use the same analog transfer of The Disco Years Vol. 2:- Razor & Tie's 2-CD Disco Fever (1991)
- Warner Special Products' 2-CD Disco Collection (1993)
- Rhino's cheapie Disco Hits Vol. 4 (1994; digitally identical)
- Rebound's Disco Nights Vol. 4 Greatest Disco Groups (1994; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
- JCI's Only Dance 1975-1979 (1995; missing first 8 beats)
- Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 15 1979 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
- Time-Life's Solid Gold Soul Vol. 46 '70s Dance Party 1978-1979 (1997; differently-EQ'd digital clone)
This is one of several tracks on the Disco Years discs that use astoundingly good source tapes, but re-edit them into an incorrect edit of the 45. Others include:- HEART OF GLASS - Blondie [edit of Best Of Blondie mix]
- I LOVE THE NIGHTLIFE - Alicia Bridges [missing 20 beats from 2:39.4 to 2:49.1 of the true 45]
- LE FREAK - Chic [the edits match the 45, but this version extends out to the end of the LP version instead of fading early]
- FRESH - Kool And The Gang [the edits match the 45, but this version extends out to the end of the LP version instead of fading early]
- HOT STUFF - Donna Summer [the edits match the 45, but this version extends out much farther than the 45 fade]
Edited by crapfromthepast on 22 December 2014 at 8:05am
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
| There is a brand new expanded Funky Town Grooves release of the 1979 album Disco Nights which includes all eight LP tracks plus five bonus cuts. This new release (FTG 313) includes the 45 version (at the correct speed), LP version and the 12" version of Disco Nights (Rock Freak). |
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| With Mark's help we have determined that the brand new Funky Town Grooves disc DOES NOT have the correct 45 edit, but instead is again the same old "neither" version of "Disco Nights." I shouldn't be surprised that they labeled the song as the 7" single when it is not the hit 45 (why would they bother to finally get it right). |
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Yup, wrong edit again, Frank.
Well, one clue in all this is that the actual 45 master is either mis-filed or gone. Since the "neither" edit is on the digital single from the label itself, it's obvious the label itself has that file stored as the "single version" and anyone requesting it will get that. A simple case over all these years of cd compilations where everyone receiving this master just took it on faith it was the single, being it runs the correct time. So at least for now this single master is in the land-of-the-lost with so many others.
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Hmmm, four years later, and it seems it's time to re-visit this one again, at least for those seeking the correct U.S. 45 version (and at the correct speed)...
I was just doing some "looking ahead" on-line regarding new releases currently scheduled to come out next month. The 2012 expanded edition of GQ's 1979 album, Disco Nights, on the U.K.-based Funky Town Grooves label - which Santi Paradoa originally detailed above - has been out-of-print for at least a couple years now. So enter FTG's chief competitor in '70s & '80s r&b CD re-issues, the U.K.-based Big Break Records/Cherry Red label...
BBR/Cherry Red has currently scheduled not one, but TWO new CD releases in the coming weeks that will feature multiple versions of "Disco Nights (Rock-Freak)" on both. First is the 2-CD retrospective, Standing Ovation: The Story of GQ and The Rhythm Makers (1974-1982), on August 5. Although I couldn't find any timings to help determine exactly which versions will be included, the two on this one are described as the "long version" (disc one, track 1) and a "remix" (disc two, track 15). Page for this upcoming release on Cherry Red's official web site here. Page on Amazon (won't have until August 12, apparently) here...
Then there's also going to be another re-issue of the 1979 Disco Nights album, this time an expanded edition w/ SEVEN bonus tracks, for a total of 15. Also due August 5, like the 2012 FTG release, this one will feature three versions: the LP version (track 1), what's currently labeled as the "single version" (track 9), and the 12" version (track 13) - but again, I couldn't find any additional info to help determine if they're correct. Page on Cherry Red's official web site here. Page on Amazon (again, won't have until August 12) here...
So, Santi or Mark: Perhaps one of you guys could contact BBR/Cherry Red via phone or e-mail, and tell them the story about the true 45 version of "Disco Nights (Rock-Freak)" and how it's never appeared on CD - and if what they intend to use is NOT correct, while I admit it's a long shot, perhaps the label may even care enough to "stop the presses" and track down the right master tape after all these years??? :-)
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Well, I wrote a nice letter to Cherry Red asking about
the single version of "Disco Nights" and explaining the
issue.
But, unfortunately if they did issue the wrong version on
this release it's likely much too late for them do
anything about it. With an August 5th release and the
12th for Amazon, those CD's should already be
manufactured and in cases ready to ship to distributors.
This requires weeks of lead time.
But I have high hopes. Cherry Red and their associated
labels have been doing excellent work so hopefully the
producers didn't overlook this important detail.
I'll post here if I get a reply.
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Edited by MMathews on 26 July 2016 at 12:14pm
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I have a big problem with Cherry Red/Big Break (bbr)CDs
because they been hard-limiting and boosting the bass on
their CDs to the point where they are unlistenable.
The good thing is that the true single can be edited from
the album version.
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Hits Man, maybe somebody at BBR/CR got the memo about the
loudness wars.
The Kool & Gang track I just posted about in the other
thread was actually beautifully mastered. Level peaked out
about -2 DB with full dynamic range and clean, clear EQ
like it sounded in the 80's..no boosting of hi's or low's.
I bought a couple of disco album reissues from them
earlier this year and they are also superbly mastered.
This may depend on who is producing the project also.
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Thanks, Mark. It would be nice to know exactly which BBR
CDs are mastered without the compression and EQ boost.
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Has anyone been able to confirm that last year's Cherry Red release contained the actual 45 version?
Even the "Flashback" Arista re-issue 45 is the "neither" version. I must have purchased it around 1988, which means it is likely not a Bill Inglot edit.
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I never bothered to purchase the Cherry Red CD release. Maybe they did get it right but I doubt it. The incorrect edit that has been issued many times before has the vocal starting at the thirty second mark. The correct 45 edit has the vocals starting at the 27 second mark. I gave up looking for the correct edit five years ago when Funky Town Grooves got it wrong.
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Like Mark, I recreated the 45 version myself. I may have
used the YouTube video as a source, who knows.
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Sadly, it's only a small segment of the population that
truly cares to have a proper 45 version or DJ edit in
our libraries. The late James Abbott, in 2007, really
helped get me started on the right path to get the right
versions.
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It sure would be nice if someone from in the industry
could comment on this fiasco.
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