Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin
Chat Board
 Top 40 Music on Compact Disc : Chat Board
Subject Topic: Didn’t We Almost Have It All - Whitney Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message << Prev Topic | Next Topic >>
EdisonLite
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 1:25am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

I'm bringing this subject (from another thread 4 years ago) into its own topic. Aaron wrote:

"Whitney Houston - Didn't We Almost Have It All - On the Greatest Hits CD, and on my TM Century library, this song sounds awful! The vocals are very distorted, and it sounds as if the tape was bad or like it was transfered from a bad vinyl source. It's noticable throughout the song, but it's really bad from the 3:30 point to the end...and especially at 4:08.
Does anyone know if the original Whitney album has this problem, too?>

At the time, I'd never noticed anything. After Aaron pointed it out, now whenever I listen (at least on headphones) the distortion does sound terrible. And it's even on the original CD - "Whitney". Aaron pointed out it's also on the edited version on the "Greatest Hits" CD. Tonight I tried to use X-crackle on most of the vocal distortion parts and probably reduced it by a third or so, but not nearly enough.

So does anyone know - is there an import CD that doesn't have distortion on this song? Funny that I never really noticed it before Aaron's post. Never even heard it on the CD back in 1987 when I played it frequently. Is it possible that CD rot caused the distortion on my CD (and other Whitney CDs made at the time) and that's why I didn't notice it then and do now? (But that doesn't explain why the Greatest Hits CD has the same problem - unless they edited it from an old Whitney CD). Could all the CDs have rotted?
Back to Top View EdisonLite's Profile Search for other posts by EdisonLite Visit EdisonLite's Homepage
 
aaronk
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4954
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 7:45am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

I'm sure this has nothing to do with the CDs. Actually, the last time I listened, it sounded to me as if only the vocal track has the distortion issue, while the instrumentation is okay. If I had to guess, I'd say this song was mastered and/or recorded this way.
Back to Top View aaronk's Profile Search for other posts by aaronk Visit aaronk's Homepage
 
Roscoe
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 July 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 333
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 8:14am | IP Logged Quote Roscoe

aaronk wrote:
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the CDs. Actually, the last time I listened, it sounded to me as if only the vocal track has the distortion issue, while the instrumentation is okay. If I had to guess, I'd say this song was mastered and/or recorded this way.


Right. I don't think CD rot would manifest as vocal distortion. I don't recall the distortion, but I haven't listened to this song in a while.

Possible culprits for distortion in a case like this would be either overload when recording the vocal (you know Whitney and her loud voice), or overloading the levels during the mix. However, it would be unusual to encounter technical flaws of this nature in a big budget production like this in 1987.
Back to Top View Roscoe's Profile Search for other posts by Roscoe
 
EdisonLite
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 9:21am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

<it would be unusual to encounter technical flaws of this nature in a big budget production like this in 1987.>

I agree. But it looks like that's the case here. That means when Michael Masser (the song's producer) was mixing the song he either didn't notice the distortion or didn't care. The CD rot does NOT occur during the instrumental portions of the song so you're right, it can't be CD rot. And if it's this way on the "Whitney" CD, it must be this way on the master (unless it's NOT this way on the Whitney LP, but that's doubtful.) So if the master has it, all import CDs will have it, and it must have always aired this way on the radio.
Back to Top View EdisonLite's Profile Search for other posts by EdisonLite Visit EdisonLite's Homepage
 
aaronk
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 January 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4954
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 10:11am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Roscoe wrote:
Possible culprits for distortion in a case like this would be either overload when recording the vocal (you know Whitney and her loud voice), or overloading the levels during the mix.

I was suspicious of this at first; however, the distortion occurs not only in places where Whitney is belting out the notes, but also where she sings softer passages. I could see this being possible if the vocals were overmodulated going into a certain piece of equipment, such as a processor. Maybe the input gain was way set too high, which would still allow the levels to look "okay" on the output, during recording and mixdown. You would think that the engineer would've noticed the horrible sound, though, especially when playing the vocal back in "solo" mode.

I still think it's also possible that the multi-track tape was bad (near the outer edge, for instance, so that only one or a couple of tracks were affected).
Back to Top View aaronk's Profile Search for other posts by aaronk Visit aaronk's Homepage
 
sriv94
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 September 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1278
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 2:57pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94

Anyone check the vinyl 45 or a cassette single to see if they too have this distortion?

__________________
Doug
---------------
All of the good signatures have been taken.
Back to Top View sriv94's Profile Search for other posts by sriv94
 
crapfromthepast
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 14 September 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1523
Posted: 21 August 2009 at 5:52pm | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

It's distorted on the 4:33 45 version on the UK The Hits Album 7 CD from 1987.

If it's got the distortion there, it's safe to say that the distortion will show up on every copy of the song, everywhere.
Back to Top View crapfromthepast's Profile Search for other posts by crapfromthepast Visit crapfromthepast's Homepage
 
bwolfe
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 24 May 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 192
Posted: 23 August 2009 at 10:29am | IP Logged Quote bwolfe

That one's on an Arista promo CD called Six Pack of Hits.
I'll have to dig it up and see what the quality is like on that one.
It must have been alright because it was our studio version when it was a hit in 1987.


__________________
the way it was heard on the radio
Back to Top View bwolfe's Profile Search for other posts by bwolfe
 
mainrhythm
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 30 August 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 114
Posted: 09 December 2010 at 1:50pm | IP Logged Quote mainrhythm

fyi...This track on the vinyl LP of "Whitney" is also distorted.
Back to Top View mainrhythm's Profile Search for other posts by mainrhythm
 
NightAire
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 20 February 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 564
Posted: 03 July 2011 at 11:55pm | IP Logged Quote NightAire

The DJ edit is painless to make from the "Whitney" CD:

Take out the 30 seconds between 3:53 and 4:22.

Ta-da! :-)

(And, the near-mint CD I found in a pawn shop here for a dollar last week sounds really gritty on this song, too... odd, since the first few tracks are so clean!)

__________________
Gene Savage
http://www.BlackLightRadio.com
http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage
Owasso, Oklahoma USA
Back to Top View NightAire's Profile Search for other posts by NightAire Visit NightAire's Homepage
 
eric_a
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 29 June 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 349
Posted: 14 April 2012 at 11:34pm | IP Logged Quote eric_a

bwolfe wrote:
That one's on an Arista promo CD called Six Pack
of Hits.


I picked up a copy of this disc today, and Whitney's vocal sounds
distorted to me here as well.
Back to Top View eric_a's Profile Search for other posts by eric_a
 
EdisonLite
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
Posted: 24 October 2012 at 11:47pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

OK, I have an update on this issue - from Sony itself. I've been helping them out with the reissue of Whitney's 1987 "Whitney" CD. Back in 2005, Aaron K brought it to all of our attention that "Didn't We Almost Have It All" had vocal distortion throughout much of the song. There was various speculation as to the cause of this.

With my working on the upcoming CD, I brought this issue to the attention of the Sony guy I'm working with. He found and checked all 6 mixdowns they had and all had the vocal distortion. His final effort was to have the multi-track tapes pulled to see if the the vocal distortion was recorded that way on the separated vocal track. Here's his response:

<Multi-tracks had the same vocal distortion. The mastering engineer did the best they can do to fix. It sounds fine.>

So basically, they took the two-track master and did some processes to lessen the distortion. At least now, we know Whitney's vocals were actually recorded this way, so there's no need to search for a distortion-free version on any CD. This remaster will probably be the best sounding one (though I haven't heard it.) At least, it's the only one where the distortion was attempted to be removed.

BTW, this deluxe edition will have 6 bonus cuts - three other songs released from the same time period, plus 3 previously unreleased songs that were also recorded during the late '80s.
Back to Top View EdisonLite's Profile Search for other posts by EdisonLite Visit EdisonLite's Homepage
 
budaniel
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 12 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 429
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 8:36am | IP Logged Quote budaniel

Hey EdisonLite,

so I take it this is going to be a single disc release and not a much hoped for 2-disc release with the 12" versions of I Wanna Dance With Somebody, So Emotional, Love Will Save the Day, and For the Love Of You?
Back to Top View budaniel's Profile Search for other posts by budaniel Visit budaniel's Homepage
 
EdisonLite
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 9:15am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Yes. I, too, was hoping for a 2-disc set, much like the 25th anniversary release of Whitney's first album (which had a 2nd disc containing videos). It especially would have been nice to have all the 12" vinyl mixes of "I Wanna Dance" on one CD, instead of scattered about on 3 or more import CDs, as they were.

The 3 bonus cuts that were previously released are "One Moment In Time", "Moment of Truth" (the b-side of "I Wanna Dance"), and IIRC, a Jermaine Jackson duet from a Jermaine album (though it's not "If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful".)

The 3 bonus cuts that are previously unreleased include 2 Michael Masser songs and a Winans song.
Back to Top View EdisonLite's Profile Search for other posts by EdisonLite Visit EdisonLite's Homepage
 
Brian W.
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 13 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2160
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 9:43am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

EdisonLite wrote:
and IIRC, a Jermaine Jackson duet from a Jermaine album (though it's not "If You Say My Eyes Are Beautiful".)


Probably "Shock Me," which was the B-side of "Didn't We Almost Have It All."

Great to finally found out that the distortion was on the original recording.
Back to Top View Brian W.'s Profile Search for other posts by Brian W.
 
Santi Paradoa
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 17 February 2009
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 714
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 4:19pm | IP Logged Quote Santi Paradoa

When can we expect this upcoming reissue Gordon?

__________________
Santi Paradoa
Miami, Florida
Back to Top View Santi Paradoa's Profile Search for other posts by Santi Paradoa
 
NightAire
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 20 February 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 564
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 4:26pm | IP Logged Quote NightAire

As long as the reissue is not clipped to death, I'll have to pick this up. Thanks for the info!

__________________
Gene Savage
http://www.BlackLightRadio.com
http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage
Owasso, Oklahoma USA
Back to Top View NightAire's Profile Search for other posts by NightAire Visit NightAire's Homepage
 
MMathews
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 August 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 765
Posted: 25 October 2012 at 5:58pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

The rarest form of a "deluxe" re-issue is the only one i
like:
either bonus tracks, OR a bonus disc containing all other
released versions of the albums tracks, meaning 45 edits,
12" single mixes, radio edits, B-sides etc.   Once in
awhile i actually encounter one.
Most of the time, i see a bunch a "live" tracks.
Sorry, not interested.

The bonus tracks on this release are not bad, but in my
opinion, woefully incomplete.   
Back to Top View MMathews's Profile Search for other posts by MMathews
 
EdisonLite
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 18 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1561
Posted: 26 October 2012 at 10:44am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Brian, Yes, "Shock Me" is the 3rd of the 3 previously released tracks. Santi, probably a January release but I don't think that's carved in stone. Gene, "Didn't We Almost ..." should be the best sounding version on this CD because it's the only one where an engineer consciously tried to remove the vocal distortion. Mark, yes a 2-disc set with all the 12" mixes would have been nice, but I believe all those 12" mixes came out on CD elsewhere, and what's really nice about this collection is that it contains THREE previously unreleased bonus cuts (!), and considering Whitney is no longer with us (and there were only 5 previously unreleased WH cuts in all the Sony vaults), and the fact that the 2 unreleased Michael Masser written/produced tracks are as GREAT as his released songs ("Greatest Love of All", "Didn't We Almost Have It All", "Saving All My Love For You", "All At Once") - will make this a treasured disc in my collection. And in all honesty, at the start of this project, I had no way of knowing if those unreleased songs would even be allowed to be included on this CD. There were so many steps where someone could have said No - the Whitney Houston estate/family, Clive Davis (the record label president), any of the publishers/writers - anyone of these entities could have said No, feeling the recording wasn't good enough, never fully completed, etc. etc. So I was glad all 3 got approved. As for the other unreleased stuff, my understanding is they're coming, too - in future releases like a boxed set or various "Essential" or "Ultimate Whitney" type releases. There will be an "Essential" type of CD release for this Christmas, but they won't have these 3 particular bonus cuts, and I haven't seen the track listing yet.

Edited by EdisonLite on 26 October 2012 at 10:47am
Back to Top View EdisonLite's Profile Search for other posts by EdisonLite Visit EdisonLite's Homepage
 
Todd Ireland
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4193
Posted: 27 October 2012 at 10:06pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

Fantastic info, Gordon! How cool is it to have a forum member here bring the "Didn't We Almost Have It All" distortion issue to the attention of the Sony people and an engineer responds in kind by actually trying to fix it! Now if there's any way you could gently suggest to them not to remaster "Didn't We Almost Have It All" and the rest of the Whitney album with excessively loud "brickwalled" audio levels, then I'd really be happy! ;-)

Edited by Todd Ireland on 27 October 2012 at 10:07pm
Back to Top View Todd Ireland's Profile Search for other posts by Todd Ireland
 

Page of 2 Next >>
  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



This page was generated in 0.1250 seconds.