Active TopicsActive Topics  Display List of Forum MembersMemberlist  Search The ForumSearch  HelpHelp
  RegisterRegister  LoginLogin
Chat Board
 Top 40 Music on Compact Disc : Chat Board
Subject Topic: Other Traffic singles Post ReplyPost New Topic
Author
Message << Prev Topic | Next Topic >>
sriv94
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 September 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1298
Posted: 17 August 2009 at 7:04pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94

Have Traffic on my mind after getting a dub of the 45 version of "Empty Pages," thanks to a good samaritan. Leads me to two other Traffic singles that I'm curious about (neither hit the top 40)--"Paper Sun" and "Gimme Some Lovin' (Part 1)" (a reworking of Steve Winwood's big hit with the Spencer Davis Group).

I'm seeing a (3:26) version of "Paper Sun" available on a CD called Heaven Is In Your Mind. Was that the 45 version, or did the 45 run (4:12) as listed on the label (most CD versions run (4:16))?

As for "Gimme Some Lovin' (Part 1)," the label indicates that the "Part 1" side runs about (3:45) and the "Part 2" side runs (4:07) (the full LP version runs about (9:00)). Is the "Part 1" side a simple fade of the LP, or is there other editing involved?

Thanks!

__________________
Doug
---------------
All of the good signatures have been taken.
Back to Top View sriv94's Profile Search for other posts by sriv94
 
Yah Shure
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 11 December 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1256
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 6:31pm | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure

Doug, while I don't have the original UA "Paper Sun" 45, it is listed as (3:22) in Whitburn's Pop Singles Annual.

Speaking of other Traffic singles, here's a late bloomer. A really, REALLY late bloomer:


TRAFFIC - "LOW SPARK OF HIGH HEELED BOYS"
(Island/Collectables 2618; the A-side is "Feelin' Alright.")


This 1992 release marked "Low Spark"'s first-ever U.S. appearance on 45. There's no listed time, which really makes the ultra-quiet, long fadeup a true your-mileage-may-vary exercise in determining its exact length. I came up with (5:37).

At first listen, this 45 may seem like it's simply a (very, very) early fade. But closer scrutiny reveals some differences from the 1971 vinyl LP cut. As one might expect, the bass has been reduced, due to the long playing time. The track is also more compressed than the vinyl LP version.

But what makes this obscure 45 unique is that it is a slightly different mix. The bongo drum on the vinyl LP mix is panned hard left, with the piano on the right. On this 45, the piano remains panned right, but the bongo is much more centered; just slightly left of center.
Back to Top View Yah Shure's Profile Search for other posts by Yah Shure
 
sriv94
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 16 September 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1298
Posted: 22 August 2009 at 9:16pm | IP Logged Quote sriv94

Excellent find, John! Of course, the ironic thing for me (since I prefer 45 versions to LP versions) is that for me the best part of the song is the final minute of the long version (the great electric keyboard/organ joining up with Winwood's piano). (As an aside, I met Steve Winwood a couple of years back--it's not often I get to meet musicians of his stature.)

I think I may have figured out the "Paper Sun" scenario. Seemingly, U.S. 45s had either a (3:22) version or a (4:16) version. The (3:22) version (which was just the (4:16) version faded early) was issued on the Heaven Is In Your Mind release, but then the remaining 53 seconds of the (4:16) version were issued on that same album as a track called "We're A Fade, You Missed This."

Anyone got anything further on Traffic's take on "Gimme Some Lovin' (Part 1)"?

Edited by sriv94 on 22 August 2009 at 9:16pm


__________________
Doug
---------------
All of the good signatures have been taken.
Back to Top View sriv94's Profile Search for other posts by sriv94
 
eric_a
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 29 June 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 366
Posted: 18 March 2018 at 11:17pm | IP Logged Quote eric_a

Doug, nine years later, I have some insight for you on
"Gimme Some Lovin'" by Traffic (technically, the artist is
Traffic, Etc) on UA 50841.

The listed times roughly correct for both parts
(3:45/4:07). I don't have the full LP version, but comparing to
one 8:53 clip on YouTube, it looks like Part 1 has at least two
edits, and Part 2 seems intact.

Part 1 removes about 24 seconds somewhere in the first minute
of the introduction, and it also cuts from the second chorus to
the organ solo, eliminating the sax solo, before fading.

Part 2 fades in where Part 1 ended off. From what I can tell,
it captures the rest of the LP version, ending cold with live
applause.

On a related Traffic note, "Glad (Part 1)" was released
as a stereo/mono promo on UA 50883, listed/actual 2:40.
The stereo side, at least, is an early fade, from about
2:21.

Does anyone know more about that "Low Spark" reissue 45?
I've always been curious about that. There was no edit
in the 70s, was there?

Edited by eric_a on 18 March 2018 at 11:20pm
Back to Top View eric_a's Profile Search for other posts by eric_a
 
eriejwg
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 10 June 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2518
Posted: 19 March 2018 at 12:25pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Considering the LP length of "Low Spark..." is nearly 12
minutes, I'd be very interested in hearing the 5:37
version.

Guess my wish list also includes the 45 version of "Empty
Pages" and "Glad" too. I may have had them way back, but
they're not on my current hard drive.

__________________
John Gallagher
John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment
Erie, PA
Back to Top View eriejwg's Profile Search for other posts by eriejwg Visit eriejwg's Homepage
 
eric_a
MusicFan
MusicFan


Joined: 29 June 2005
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 366
Posted: 14 April 2018 at 3:57pm | IP Logged Quote eric_a

eric_a wrote:
I don't have the full LP version, but comparing to
one 8:53 clip on YouTube, it looks like Part 1 has at least two
edits, and Part 2 seems intact.


I found a used copy of "Welcome To The Canteen" and my hypothesis seems to be
correct. Unfortunately, it's on vinyl so I don't have CD time codes, which
would be especially helpful for a live album, especially since there seems to be
some tape slippage on either the LP or 45 pressing. Despite the imprecision,
hope this helps Doug or anyone else interested.

Part 1 has two cuts and a fade.

- Start when the congas kick in on beat. Let's call this point 0:00 on the LP
version.

- Cut from 0:35 to 0:59 on the downbeats. The cut comes after one two bars of
guitar licks and eliminates 13 bars.

- Cut from 3:37 to 4:04 on the downbeats. This removes the entire sax solo and
picks up with the organ solo.

- Gradual fade from about 3:28 to 3:45.


Part 2 is simply the end of the track, roughly the last 4:07 of the track. If
you get it right, there's a three second fade in, the organ chords come in at
0:03 and vocals resume at 0:17.
Back to Top View eric_a's Profile Search for other posts by eric_a
 

If you wish to post a reply to this topic you must first login
If you are not already registered you must first register

  Post ReplyPost New Topic
Printable version Printable version

Forum Jump
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot create polls in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum



This page was generated in 0.0938 seconds.