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Posted: 31 July 2009 at 9:54pm | IP Logged Quote jimct

My promo CD single for this song features a short version not currently shown in the database. Here are the particulars:

New Kids On The Block-"Step By Step" (CSK 73343)
1-Radio Edit (listed 3:59; actual 3:57)
2-LP Version (listed & actual 4:27)
3-12" Club Remix (listed 5:25; actual 5:24)
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The radio edit is only available in CD single/promo? No CD complications??
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 6:11pm | IP Logged Quote Loveland

Original version by The Superiors:

https://www.discogs.com/The-Superiors-Step-By-Step/release/4 926560
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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 6:22pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

The radio edit has not been released on any compilation
according to the database.

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Posted: 15 May 2019 at 6:44pm | IP Logged Quote Loveland

eriejwg wrote:
The radio edit has not been released on any compilation
according to the database.



The Radio Edit has been released commercially and it's available in a few releases. The Diamonds compilation is widely available and fairly inexpensive.

https://www.discogs.com/New-Kids-On-The-Block-Step-By-Step/r elease/10782896

https://www.discogs.com/New-Kids-On-The-Block-The-Diamonds/r elease/4215970
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 6:21am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Thanks for the tip, Loveland. Because it's a Japanese
compilation, Pat wouldn't include it in his Top 40 music
On CD database.

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 6:43am | IP Logged Quote Loveland

eriejwg wrote:
Thanks for the tip, Loveland. Because it's a Japanese
compilation, Pat wouldn't include it in his Top 40 music
On CD database.


I'm guessing that was some sort of rule that goes back decades?

IMHO, it's pretty safe to say that for the past decade music has become global (possibly longer). I think that this rule to only include U.S. releases should go away. There isn't any justifiable reason to exclude releases outside the U.S. anymore. Don't you guys agree?
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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 7:20am | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

I've been a part of and contributed and learned from this
forum since 2007. In 12 years, the rules here are still
the same, only U.S. compilations and albums.

Pat Downey, the owner of the site, can best describe his
reasons and I believe has in countless threads throughout
the site.

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 8:22am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The reason Pat does not include imports is very simple: to keep the database scope manageable. He has a physical copy of 99.99% of all CDs included in the database. To include imports would make it impossible for him to have a CD copy of everything. Pat is the only guy who maintains the information in the database, unlike giant user-generated databases like Discogs. It's quite a feat, if you ask me.

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 8:41am | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

Because Pat has physical copies of just about all the CDs in the database and has verified all the info for each CD, we are assured that the info in the database is accurate.

This is huge advantage over sites like Discogs, which can have inaccuracies in track timing or other info.

It's a big deal.

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 9:05am | IP Logged Quote Loveland

Why can't he rely on the information provided on this forums by all the members? We provide accurate information.

Like I said, I think it's time to do away with that 'rule'. But that's my own personal suggestion. Music is now global, and many reissues are coming out of the U.K. without ever been released in the U.S.
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I think many of us would like to see the database expanded, but it opens up a big can of worms for Pat and has the potential to cause a lot of problems.

For instance, let's say "Step By Step" is listed on 50 different CDs in the database. 23 of those discs are ones he actually owns. 27 of them are imports where the information was provided by other members. A few years go by, and someone discovers that some CDs contain a slightly different mix from the LP version. Pat would then have to go back to everyone who provided him with the info for the 27 CDs he doesn't have to be able to verify which have the LP version and which have the alternate mix. Otherwise the database contains 27 CDs that may or may not have an accurate notation for "Step By Step."

Another scenario is that a member provides inaccurate information about which mix is contained on a CD. If Pat enters this inaccurate info into the database, and a paying subscriber spends $20 to buy said CD, and then that subscriber finds out that the information is actually wrong, he might be a little upset that he wasted $20 on a CD that Pat had listed as having the proper version.

As you can see, it's not as simple as "he should include imports." He has paying subscribers to consider and the integrity of the data to maintain. Who would want to subscribe to a database that is full of errors?

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Posted: 16 May 2019 at 11:03am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

That's one of the functions of the chat board. We can
discuss and share info on any imports, non Top 40 hits,
etc, etc.
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Paul Haney wrote:
That's one of the functions of the chat board. We can
discuss and share info on any imports, non Top 40 hits,
etc, etc.


And that is a great point Paul brings up. Sometimes the only way to find a certain hit is an import from another country. At some point I agree there has to be a line drawn and the fact that every CD listed in the database has been verified is exactly why Pat is 1 million times more reliable for me then discogs when seeing track listings, mono or stereo or running times. Knowing these things makes it priceless.

I know Pat does not post on here much, but I give him a big thank you for the site, the board and the ability to find top 40 hits on CD. Not only that but Pat's database in electronic form beats any book that one could buy. I think the electronic database is a better idea than a book in this instance.

The chat board pretty much covers anything that needs more clarification or research. Personally I believe there will be a point where the CD's won't be carried in Target, Walmart or chain stores and the entire dynamic of how we get music will be digital. It's already starting to happen when #1 singles like Old Town Road are not put on a CD and are unavailable unless you go digital. That makes Pat's site even more valuable for what is out there. I guess as long as their are NOW CD's and they sell well there are people who will embrace the "retroness" of it.
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