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Posted: 08 August 2013 at 8:02pm | IP Logged Quote edtop40

jim, i know all of us on the board appreciate your
incredible knowledge and experience in the radio biz....it
amazes me you remember all these great little antidotes
from so many years ago.....i, for one appreciate every
story you tell, with such great detail.....keep them
coming, my friend!!

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Posted: 23 September 2018 at 8:59am | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

edtop40 wrote:
my commercial 45 of the live version runs 3:29 and is identical to the version on the below cd......

(S) (3:28) Capitol 48287 Paul McCartney: All The Best

the db states the live version runs 3:48.....is that right or is the studio version the 3:48 running time one?


Can anyone clarify that the 3:28 that Ed references (also on the 2CD greatest purple Wings set and on All the Best) is an official radio edit of the 3:48? I doubt radio stations today would play the extra 20 seconds of McCartney banter. Or is this just a case of issuing an edit on CD that was never issued on vinyl? I checked discogs and cannot find a promo 45 issued at 3:28.

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Posted: 23 September 2018 at 9:59am | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

My commercial 45 has the studio version on one side, and two songs on the B-side: the live version of "Coming Up", which includes some audience banter at the end after the song ends, and then a studio instrumental called "Lunch Box Odd Sox".

I can understand why a McCartney collection would fade after the proper song ends, and truncate the audience banter. As far as I know, that wasn't an official release in 1980.

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Posted: 23 September 2018 at 10:42am | IP Logged Quote PopArchivist

That's what I thought. Duly noted.
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Posted: 23 September 2018 at 1:41pm | IP Logged Quote garye

I lived in Houston 1980 and KILT, KRBE, KAUM and the
rest of the Top 40 in the market all played the live
version. So did KAAY in Little Rock and WNOE in New
Orleans. The live version was a better version of the
song. The studio take was very new wave sounding and
my friends in radio at the time, no one cared for the
studio take. In fact my friend Leslie who was Music
Director at KAUM at the time, told me she was not
going to add the studio version to the play list and
neither was anyone else. In fact the Columbia record
rep started pushing the live version soon after the
release. He knew if no Houston station would add the
single, would've hurt sales. So the live version was
issued on a 12 inch single quickly and the rest is a
number 1 hit for Paul again!
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Posted: 23 September 2018 at 7:28pm | IP Logged Quote KentT

Every Top 40 station,in the Southeastern USA, played the
Live version. It was the A side of the commercial single.
It was the hit single. I played the B side the day the
station I worked for got it, it got calls wanting to hear
it again. I called the PD, he added it on airplay and on
response by listeners when it was still the B side, and
for a brief while, we played both sides.

Edited by KentT on 23 September 2018 at 7:29pm


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KentT wrote:
Every Top 40 station,in the Southeastern USA, played the
Live version. It was the A side of the commercial single.
It was the hit single. I played the B side the day the
station I worked for got it, it got calls wanting to hear
it again. I called the PD, he added it on airplay and on
response by listeners when it was still the B side, and
for a brief while, we played both sides.


Great info! But I think the A-side was the studio version on the commercial single and the B-side was the live version:

http://www.45cat.com/record/111263
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Posted: 24 September 2018 at 12:03pm | IP Logged Quote Chartman

On all three national charts the studio version was
the listed version at first but then later on the live
version was the listed song.

Billboard - studio 4/26/80-7/12/80 (12 weeks) then
live 7/19/80-9/13/80 (9 weeks). Note that the song was
#1 on 7/12/80 but then switched over to the live
version on its descent.

Cashbox - studio 4/26/80-5/31/80 (6 weeks) then live
6/7/80-9/6/80 (14 weeks). Peak weeks were all the live
version.

Record World - studio 4/26/80-7/5/80 (11 weeks) then
live 7/12/80-9/6/80 (9 weeks). Peak weeks were
primarily the studio version.

The studio version was the a-side (taken from
McCartney II) while the live version plus "Lunch
Box/Odd Box" was the b-side.

Edited by Chartman on 24 September 2018 at 12:07pm
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Posted: 25 September 2018 at 5:51am | IP Logged Quote Paul Haney

In this case, I wouldn't go by what the charts showed. I
think both Billboard and Record World were too slow in
showing the Live version designation.
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There's a new digital singles collection for Paul McCartney with 159 tracks. I just checked out “Coming Up (Live At Glasgow).” It’s not the 45 version, although it does have the extended ending that was previously missing from other CD versions. Still, the entire track is a new mix and does not match the 45 mix. Instruments are at different levels and different places in the stereo field. Percussion is mixed differently. I wonder if the original 2-track mixdown tape couldn’t be located, so they had to go back to the multi-tracks. Or is this perhaps the mix used for the 7" in a different country? I wouldn't have thought there would be different mixes, but I've only ever heard the US 45.

For those who are about to ask the question, the answer is no. The extended ending cannot be tacked onto the early faded version found on All The Best and other CDs. Sonically, they are different, but also the extended ending is mixed differently than what's on the US 45.

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Posted: 01 December 2022 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote vinyljay69

I believe this new version is re-created from the long
version available on the "McCartney II" deluxe edition.
That version contains an extra verse that was cut from the
single, and does not contain the ending as on the 45. I
presume it was mixed from scratch for that set. The single
ending has been badly tacked onto the new version, with a
horrendous edit at 3:16, and another obvious one at 3:18.
Hope this is not an indicator that the entire set has been
remixed and/or unsuccessfully re-created.
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Posted: 01 December 2022 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Yikes! I hadn't listened to the edit at 3:16 when I was A/B'ing them earlier.

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aaronk wrote:
Yikes! I hadn't listened to the edit at 3:16 when I was A/B'ing them earlier.


The edit sounds horrible Aaron. Horrible.

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Just another note about the remix of the live version - ending differences aside it sounds to me like overdubs are missing, as there are some things like tambourine I don't hear at all in the remix, and I think the horn parts might've been redone in the studio. For instance, there's a sax overdub right after the first chorus (when he sings "you got it") that's not on the remix at all—I don't think it's a levels issue, it's just not there. The remix really lacks the polish and punch of the 45 to my ears.
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Correct, the remix of the long version lacks some of the
overdubs used on the 45. It's obviously the same take,
just a presentation of the full version as it was
originally performed in concert, sans polish. It also
doesn't contain the live, ad-lib tag as that was taken from
a different performance or another point in the show.
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They always played the tag on the radio here - it sounds incomplete to me without it!
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After drastically re-EQ'ing the ending of my vinyl 45, I think it's a match with the ending of the new box set Frankenstein version. I originally thought the applause at the end was also a different mix, but now I think they are the same just with very different EQ. I was able to merge the single mix (faded early) and the new version's ending.

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Posted: 05 December 2022 at 4:28am | IP Logged Quote Brian W.

aaronk wrote:
After drastically re-EQ'ing the ending of my vinyl 45, I think it's a match with the ending of the new box set Frankenstein version. I originally thought the applause at the end was also a different mix, but now I think
they are the same just with very different EQ. I was able to merge the single mix (faded early) and the new version's ending.


Yeah, I actually wasn't sure I agreed with you when you said said the tacked-on ending was remixed. But I thought you must just be hearing something I'm not.
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