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Posted: 14 October 2005 at 7:19pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

I happened across Pat's entry for "Always Something There To Remind Me". He indicates "DJ copies of this 45 were issued in two different mixes..."
The common mix available everywhere today that starts with the drum intro, the other mix has no drums during the intro until the verse begins. I thought I'd add that it wasn't only DJ copies.
My commercial 45 i bought when the song first came out had the no-drum intro. I later bought the album and this was my first coppy of the drum-intro mix. HOWEVER! My wife's copy of the album (our collections weren't one back then..) had MY 45 version, the mix with NO drums in the intro.
So that early mix made it to commercial copies of both the 45 and the LP. Anyone else remember this?
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Posted: 16 October 2005 at 3:00am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

My friend owns the full-length LP, and his copy of the album has the no-drums intro, like your wife's copy.
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Posted: 12 January 2013 at 6:25pm | IP Logged Quote Santi Paradoa

In case anyone is still searching for a digital copy of
this:

In Dec. 2012 the UK label Cherry Red released an expanded
version of the Burning Bridges LP (that was the name of the
duo’s debut album in England). The CD has a total of 18
tracks (including six bonus cuts). This reissue uses the
original “no drums” intro version of “Always Something
There To Remind Me” (also know as the “chimes” intro or the
“bells and thunder” intro).

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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 9:29am | IP Logged Quote Hykker

I checked my copies of this. Both my promo 45 (same
version both sides) and stock 45 have the "bells and
thunder" intro,
album has the drums intro.
We played the no-drums version at the station I worked at
in '83, though I do recall some stations playing the
drums
version. I just assumed they were using the LP instead.

jimct wrote:
bwolfe wrote:
I wonder if radio was
serviced with both versions?
Yes, bwolfe, our
station was serviced with both versions; the "no drums"
version initially, and the "drums" version shortly
afterwards.


Curiously, was there any notation on the second version
stating that it was a remix?
Were all stock copies the no drums mix, or were they a
mixed bag too?


Edited by Hykker on 13 January 2013 at 9:58am
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Posted: 13 January 2013 at 10:40am | IP Logged Quote abagon

I have the US pressing vinyl LP "Naked Eyes" and the US commercial 45.
Both the LP and the 45 have the drum intro, the same actual running time (3:39) and the listed time (3:40) on the record label.
Also the "Burning Bridges" LP version has the same actual running time (3:39), but doesn't have the drums part during the intro.

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Slowly deciphering the mix puzzle here.

It seems to me that the bells-only intro came out first, was deemed unsuccessful by EMI America and was thought to need a little "punching up", and was subsequently replaced by the drums intro. (Much like the first mix of "Hungry Like The Wolf", and the non-medley version of "Tainted Love".)

I found 45s with two different matrix numbers, which are printed on the label, making things very convenient:

X501056A - This is the version on the B-side of the promo 12" single. I found pictures of the label on the web, so it seems that there were also commercial 45s pressed with this version. I'm 99% sure this is the bells-only intro.

X501056C - This is the version on my own commercial 45, which I'm 99% sure is the drums intro. (Still haven't unpacked the turntable, but managed to find the right box with the "N" 45s!) This version has the credit of "Mixed by John 'Jellybean' Benitez" at the bottom, right above "Recorded in England". The other 45 has no such "Mixed by..." credit. Both versions of the 45 have a printed time of 3:40.

I'm not sure which version was considered the "hit" here in the US.

I checked the American Top 40 shows for the entire chart run (Apr 23, 1983 to Jul 16, 1983) and the year-end, and AT40 played only the bells version, and never once played the drums intro version.

It seems that modern-day EMI thinks that the hit version is the drums intro, since that's the one that turns up on the Greatest Hits discs and the many compilation CDs.

Incidentally, I have no idea which versions were on the singles in the rest of the world.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 14 January 2013 at 12:02pm


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Posted: 14 January 2013 at 1:37am | IP Logged Quote NightAire

I don't remember this original version at ALL... I'm baffled that AT40 played this "bells" version. Being so familiar with the drums intro, this sounds very strange to me!

Naked Eyes - Always Something There To Remind Me (bells version)

Are their any other mix differences? I didn't pick up any in casual listening but it would be surprising of Jellybean left everything else alone...

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Posted: 14 January 2013 at 6:21am | IP Logged Quote abagon

NightAire wrote:

Naked Eyes - Always Something There To Remind Me (bells version)


The version of the above YouTube link by NightAire is the "Burning Bridges" LP version, aka UK version.

The blow link is the US LP "Naked Eyes" and the commercial 45 version.
US 45 and LP version.

The below link is an explanation about "Naked Eyes" debut album.
About Naked Eyes' 1st album.

FYI
About their third Top 40 hits "When The Lights Go Out."
"Burning Bridge UK LP" equal "Naked Eyes self titled US LP" equal "US commercial 45"

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Edited by abagon on 14 January 2013 at 6:24am
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Posted: 14 January 2013 at 7:26pm | IP Logged Quote crapfromthepast

It seems that the first CD that "Always Something..." appeared on was Warner Special Products' 3-CD After Hours (1990), where it runs about 0.6% or 0.7% fast (compared to later EMI CDs), but otherwise sounds nice. After Hours has a few other tracks that run fast, so this isn't surprising. It runs 3:38.

This version has the drums over the intro, and it's pretty apparent that the drum intro was grafted on after-the-fact. The BPM is 151.1 BPM before 0:16, and 150.3 BPM after 0:16. There's an obvious splice at 0:16, when the first verse starts.

Razor & Tie's 2-CD Totally '80s (1993) uses the same analog transfer as After Hours and sounds extremely close to After Hours.

A different, and slightly better, analog transfer is on EMI's Best Of (1991). Rob Fisher & Pete Byrne reportedly hated this disc, since it left off one of their top 40 hits and had fairly illegible artwork.

Regardless, it had pretty good sound. This, too, is the drums into version. The song runs 3:40 here, at 150.2 BPM until the splice at 0:16 and 149.3 BPM after the splice at 0:16.

There are a boatload of other discs that use the same analog transfer as Best Of (1991):
  • Priority's Rock Of The '80s Vol. 2 (1992, mastered too loud and clips a lot)
  • EMI's Living In Oblivion Vol. 1 (1993, differently EQ'd digital clone)
  • EMI's Promises Promises The Very Best Of (1994, digitally identical - Rob & Pete like this greatest hits disc much better, and it does have much better artwork and track selection, but the sound is basically the same as the first greatest hits because almost all the songs are digitally cloned from the 1991 Best Of)
  • Time-Life's Sounds Of The Eighties Vol. 3 1983 (1994)
  • Cema's Greatest Hits Of The 80's Vol. 1 Turbo Mania (1994, differently EQ'd digital clone)
  • Cema's 2-CD Cool Rock (1995, differently EQ'd digital clone)
  • Madacy's Rock On 1983 (1996, digitally exactly 0.4 dB louder than Sounds Of The Eighties)
  • EMI's Retro Lunchbox Gooey Love Songs (1997, digitally identical)
  • Time-Life's 2-CD Modern Rock Vol. 1 1982-1983 (1999, identical to Sounds Of The Eighties)
There's another analog transfer of the drums intro version on Rhino's 7-CD Like Omigod (2002), but it's a little loud and clips quite a bit. I prefer the Best Of mastering here. It runs 150.2 BPM to 149.4 BPM.

There's a version of the drums intro on EMI UK's Time To Remember 1983 (1997), but it's a little compressed and is missing the opening drum fill. Avoid.

Finally, there's a version of the drums intro on Swaitek's promo 50-CD set The A List Disc 18 (1994), where the track is taken from vinyl, the left and right channels are swapped, and it's about 1.2% or 1.3% faster than the EMI disc. (152.0 BPM to 151.2 BPM) This is probably taken from a TM Century disc. Avoid.

If given a choice, any of the discs that are based on Best Of sound pretty good, except the Priority disc. Go with those.

And one last disc that, remarkably, features the bells-only intro! It's a 5-CD set from EMI Australia called Eighties Complete Vol. 1 (1997). It runs 3:35 and at 149.7 BPM throughout. Compared with the drums intro, this version bells-only intro has a fade that's a few seconds shorter.

Edited by crapfromthepast on 14 January 2013 at 9:24pm


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Posted: 17 January 2013 at 3:16pm | IP Logged Quote MMathews

abagon wrote:
NightAire wrote:

Naked Eyes - Always
Something There To Remind Me (bells version)



The version of the above YouTube link by NightAire is the
"Burning Bridges" LP version, aka UK version.

The blow link is the US LP "Naked Eyes" and the
commercial 45 version.
US 45 and
LP version.


--abagon


Just wanted to clarify here; there were TWO U.S.
commercial 45 versions, and the video contains the first
issue.   Same goes for the U.S. LP "Naked Eyes". The
"drums intro" was the 2ND pressing of the LP.

abagon's youtube video contains the 2ND 45 release, and
ended up being the more common one.

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