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Just wanted to add to Pat's existing database notation for this song. The "long version" side of my commercial 45 has a listed time of (5:46), but an actual time of (5:43). FYI, I remember in the mid-to-late 90's, the PD of my station asking me specifically to bring in this "long version" (as you might expect, I was always the station's "auxiliary music library"), as they wanted to "spike it in." I did, but I was certainly a bit taken aback by both his request, and the song's apparent "oldies renaissance!" We CERTAINLY weren't in the business of spinning a whole lot of Barry Manilow tunes at this time - none, in fact!
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So if I understand this and some previous posts on the subject correctly, all CD copies that run (3:58) are the short side of the 45 and all CD copies that run (5:43) are the long side of the 45. I think we had established a long while back that the (4:04) version is the Even Now vinyl LP version of "Copacabana" (yet CD copies of Even Now all use the long side of the 45 instead).
Am I close?
Not that there's anything wrong with spinning a Barry Manilow song or two. :)
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sriv94 wrote:
| Not that there's anything wrong with spinning a Barry Manilow song or two. :) |
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More than five and a half minutes of Barry Manilow on a Top 40 station in 1997-ish? Wow! That is certainly odd.
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Didn't realize Jim's station was a CHR at that point. I was envisioning a station like WPLJ in New York, which was more Hot AC but had some occasional CHR moments.
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Doug, the station I worked at was an AM/FM, "Mom And Pop" owned combo, back in the day. In the very late 70's, ownership reluctantly decided, at the behest of our AM's Program Director, to flip-flop our "Top 40/CHR" format, from the AM station over to our FM sister station. He kept the existing airstaff (lucky for me!), axing the "elevator music" that had been on the FM (which "Pop" owner loved!!!) in the process. (Ironically, we had the highest ratings in the AM's then-30+ year plus history, during that VERY last book; not very many AM Top 40's ever "went out on top.") Our FM "successor" remains CHR, to this day, through at least 4 ownership changes. So, between both the AM & FM, my station (which I retired from last year) has been playin' the Top 40 hits, non-stop, since 1958 (now in its 50th consecutive year!), and is among the VERY longest "continuous providers" of the Top 40/CHR format in the country.
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A note: The 3:58 version was on first pressings of "Even Now" and the 45. Later pressings of the single and "Even Now" have the 5:43 Disco version. The original 3:58 version I have never seen on CD anywhere yet.
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KentT wrote:
| A note: The 3:58 version was on first pressings of "Even Now" and the 45. Later pressings of the single and "Even Now" have the 5:43 Disco version. The original 3:58 version I have never seen on CD anywhere yet. |
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The US single had the 3:58 version on one side and the 5:43 version on flip. The 3:58 version was issued on early CD pressings of his "Greatest Hits," and is also available as a download:
Copacabana - Dance Vault Mixes
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Going through some 1978 tracks, and found an odd thing...
I have Arista/Legacy's The Essential Barry Manilow (2005), and for the most part, I really like the sound. (Mastered by Mark Wilder, who did a lot of the great-sounding CBS/Sony box sets from the early '90s - EWF, Chicago, Aerosmith I think...)
The one track that I don't like on this CD is "Copacabana", which is much more compressed/limited than masterings on other CDs. Compare it to GH2, and it sounds like it has the life sucked out of it. Specifically, listen to the cowbells in the break at 3:23 - they sound spacious on GH2, and sound completely lost in the mix on Essential.
The reason I revisited this thread is to point out something weird in the Essential mastering of this song. At 5:29, following a short drum fill, there's a drastic change in sound quality. Apparently, the last 16 seconds of the song uses a different tape source than the first 5:29 of the song. This is like the Whitney Houston 45 that grafts on the ending from a different source (don't recall those details off the top of my head.)
Anyone else with Essential that wants to comment?
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I see a (4:06) version as being available on the Madagascar 2 OST, but I'm not able to determine whether it's the Even Now vinyl LP version. Anyone want to give it a go?
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Does anyone know if a US 45 of this existed, where the B-side was the Spanish version "En El Copa (Copacabana)? I could have sworn I'd seen and bought such a 45 back in 1978, though I don't have it now.
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sriv94 wrote:
| I see a (4:06) version as being available on the Madagascar 2 OST, but I'm not able to determine whether it's the Even Now vinyl LP version. Anyone want to give it a go? |
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Did we ever figure out whether the version on the Madagascar 2 OST is the Even Now vinyl LP version?
The catalog number for the soundtrack is Interscope 001226402.
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EdisonLite wrote:
| Does anyone know if a US 45 of this existed, where the B-side was the Spanish version "En El Copa (Copacabana)? I could have sworn I'd seen and bought such a 45 back in 1978, though I don't have it now. |
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Gordon, I don't think there was a 7-incher. I settled for the 12-inch 45 which had the long Spanish version on the flip [listed time: (5:45).] We played "En El Copa" a lot at the station I was with, but it was probably from the 12-inch promo single.
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sriv94 wrote:
sriv94 wrote:
| I see a (4:06) version as being available on the Madagascar 2 OST, but I'm not able to determine whether it's the Even Now vinyl LP version. Anyone want to give it a go? |
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Did we ever figure out whether the version on the Madagascar 2 OST is the Even Now vinyl LP version? The catalog number for the soundtrack is Interscope 001226402. |
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The Madagascar 2 OST has never even been added to the database. Anybody ever figured out the answer to Doug's question above?
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I just figured it out. It's the Complete Collection version (with the last seconds of the demo version tracking over the intro--the demo version itself is not included).
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So, 6 1/2 years after the Dance Vault mixes of
"Copacabana", all along I thought I had the true 45
version, running 3:58 with the release of the (radio)
download. Come to find out, after hearing a 45 on
YouTube, the intro of the radio download doesn't match
the intro of the 45.
Ed was kind enough to email me a wav file which matches
the 45 dub on YouTube exactly.
So, my question is, was the 2008 Dance Vault radio
download a new edit in an attempt to match the 45?
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Yeah, I wondered that, too. I don't know what that Dance
Vault version is, but I immediately noticed it was
different. The version on some pressings of the original
"Greatest Hits" album is the true Short 45 version.
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OK, now I'm confused. Based on Ron's post in the Manilow "Greatest Hits - Different Versions" thread, he said something about the true 45 not having a bass drum in Barry's opening "Her name was Lola. . ." lyric. My short 45 version from the 1978 "Greatest Hits" CD does have a bass drum in the lyric.
So does the 45 Ed sent you have any drum in the opening line, John?
Edited by sriv94 on 11 November 2014 at 7:10pm
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I will send you a file for evaluation, Doug.
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What Ed sent me matches the 45
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I'm pretty sure, after a quick evaluation, that the
Dance Vault Radio version eliminates the bongos in the
beginning and may be the 4:05 version but starts :10 in,
thus making it 3:56 or so.
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