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Posted: 11 December 2007 at 1:41am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

While the printed time of Don Henley's "Sunset Grill" says (6:22) on the 45 label, the actual time is (6:28).
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Aaron:

I picked up a promo 45 of this song a few weeks back. Listed time is 4:26, actual is 4:29.
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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 8:08am | IP Logged Quote edtop40

aaron, can the 4:29 promo 45 version be extracted from the 6:28 lp/album version

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Posted: 07 July 2010 at 9:14am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Yes, I have replicated that edit, Ed. The opening drums were chopped off, and the song was faded early.

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Posted: 27 October 2014 at 2:39am | IP Logged Quote Bwci Bo

Can anyone with the promo 45 version provide some more specific editing details, please? At exactly what point does the promo 45 version begin and where does the end fade commence? Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 27 October 2014 at 5:52am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The open drums are removed from 0:00 to 0:15, and the song begins
on the downbeat. Then, with what you have remaining, create a fade
out from 4:14 to 4:29.

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Posted: 27 October 2014 at 9:17am | IP Logged Quote sriv94

After listening to the full version, I almost wonder if you also couldn't replicate the promo by cutting from (4:23) to (6:07) of the full version (then snip off the opening drums). Then you wouldn't have to fade.

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Posted: 27 October 2014 at 11:53am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Quite possibly. Those two sections might be identical.

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Posted: 27 October 2014 at 3:03pm | IP Logged Quote Bwci Bo

Thanks for your help, guys. Much appreciated.
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sriv94 wrote:
After listening to the full version, I almost wonder if you also couldn't replicate the promo by cutting
from (4:23) to (6:07) of the full version (then snip off the opening drums). Then you wouldn't have to fade.


I just checked my copy (Geffen promo 28906) and confirm that you can make this cut, and the fades sync up perfectly.

One note, I just realized that on Building The Perfect Beast, the intro drums start on the end of the previous
track, fading in over about 10 seconds. That explains why the LP version is shorter than the version on the single and
greatest hits comps. If you start with this LP version, you need to offset Aaron and Doug's edit points to 0:05, 4:13,
and 5:57, all on downbeats.

Pat: perhaps these appearances should be classified as LP vs. Single version?
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Posted: 07 November 2016 at 2:01pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Even though I had recreated this DJ edit before, my
thanks to Doug for the tip about cutting from 4:23 to
6:07 and chopping off the intro. Thanks to Eric for
confirming the fade matches.

Wonder if that's what the record company originally did
to achieve the edit?
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Posted: 01 August 2018 at 2:11pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

To answer John's question, Geffen created a fade out rather than cutting from 4:23 to 6:07. If you edit the copy on Building The Perfect Beast or Actual Miles, they won't quite make it to the tail end of the promo 45's fade. I cranked up the volume, and I can faintly hear the first five notes of the keyboard solo that begins at 4:43 of the commercial 45. This is not heard at the end of the long CD versions.

I made a new edit today. My old file was done using a noisy dub as the template, and the last second was not audible over the surface noise. My old file runs 4:28, while the new one runs 4:29. It won't make any difference when it comes to listening enjoyment, but at least the question has been answered.

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Posted: 01 August 2018 at 6:20pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Dug out my promo 45 and redid the edit and fade to match
the promo.

Thanks for the tip, Aaron.

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