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Posted: 11 December 2007 at 1:16am | IP Logged Quote jimct

My commercial 45 has a listed time of (4:02), but an actual time of (3:59).
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Posted: 26 June 2011 at 11:04pm | IP Logged Quote NightAire

Amazon (not always known for its label accuracy) has listed this song as "Can't We Try (Single Version)."

Every version of this song I've ever seen or heard EVER has been identical in mix and length as far as I can tell.

I would, however, be THRILLED to know there was a remix or edit of this song that would make it the least bit more tolerable to sit through.

Is anybody aware of any other versions of this "hit," released perhaps to radio or as a second released version as it was climbing the charts?

A "rock mix" would thrill me to no end. :-D

I suspect the answer is "no" and maybe "don't we wish" but I had to check after that goofy Amazon listing.

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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 6:24am | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Though the follow-up hit, "Never Thought (That I Could Love)", had a single remix (which was only slightly different), this hit has only the one mix. No edit. No remix. No rock mix. The version you heard probably a thousand times on the radio is the only one that exists and the version you'll have to continue to sit through. Luckily, mixed as it is, it became the #1 AC song of the year in Billboard (an incredible accomplishment, don't you think?) so it seems there were other people -- like Dan, the folks at Columbia Records, the radio programmers, and the listeners -- that were very happy with the mix, and no remix was issued. Incidentally, when Dan was putting together his Best of CD, he called me to get the single mix of "Never Thought" (he and no one else could find it but he remembered I had a promo CD single) and there was never any discussion about other mixes of "Can't We Try".
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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 7:11am | IP Logged Quote AndrewChouffi

To EdisonLite:

What is the exact title of the 'Best Of' that contains the single mix of "Never Thought"?

I still play that song at weddings dubbed from styrene; I really prefer the single mix. The single has a Rhodes-like keyboard instead of an acoustic piano and it sounds more elegant to my ears.

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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 11:42am | IP Logged Quote Fetta

Hey Gene, there is always the Rockell and Collage version from a few years back that has a nice freestyle beat behind it. Definitely not Blacklight Radio format but it does pep the song up quite a bit....LOL.

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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 1:22pm | IP Logged Quote eriejwg

Andy, it looks as though it might be this one:

Dan Hill: Best Of (Import)
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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 8:07pm | IP Logged Quote NightAire

EdisonLite: Please tell Dan I forgive him for "Can't We Try." ;-) I also forgive the hundreds (thousands? Tens of thousands? Perhaps millions?) who bought and requested the song... clearly I'm in the minority by being driven quite crazy by this song. :-)

(Hearing it 50-million times hasn't helped, either, I'm sure.)

I absolutely WILL have to sit through it, again and again, and again... not only did it make #1 on the year-end AC charts as you mentioned, but it also made the year-end pop charts (at #67) in 1987... so BlackLight Radio will be playing it over and over and over.

"Give the people what they want!" :-D

(I also play "Friends & Lovers," "Wind Beneath My Wings," & "Almost Paradise." Wowza. They were hits, though!

And, in case you think I'm just a ballad / love song hater, not so. I love "Separate Lives," "Should've Never Let You Go" & "After All.")

I do appreciate the definitive answer... sorry about my opinion showing in my original post. :)

Fetta, I'll have to go looking for that version! LOL... you're right, though: if it wasn't an original from-the-original-chart-run mix, I don't play it. Maybe hearing the remix will make me enjoy the original more.

(Remember the dance mix of "My Heart Will Go On?" I'm still not sure how they got from a sad Irish love ballad to club hit, but the mix shows played it.)

EDIT: ROTFL!!! O.K., just heard the dance remake... after hearing this, I'm a bigger fan of Dan Hill's version... you'll have to hear this for yourselves: Rockell & Collage - Can't We Try... YIKES! :-D

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Posted: 27 June 2011 at 9:18pm | IP Logged Quote EdisonLite

Yes, the link eriejwg provided - for "Love of My Life: Best Of" IS the CD I worked on, which contains the single mix of "Never Thought".
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Posted: 28 June 2011 at 11:01am | IP Logged Quote Fetta

Glad you liked it Gene... LOL.. This version actully got a lot of airplay on KTU here in NY and I think Z100 probably picked it up as well as Rockell is a Staten Island native...
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EdisonLite wrote:
Incidentally, when Dan was putting together his Best of CD, he called me to get the single mix of "Never Thought" (he and no one else could find it but he remembered I had a promo CD single) and there was never any discussion about other mixes of "Can't We Try".


I was looking to find the single mix of "Never Thought (That I Could Love)" in lossless and tried looking on Discogs to see if there was a promo CD single for it, but none are listed. Are there any other mixes or tracks on that promo you have?

I never heard the single mix of the song until I looked it up on YouTube. Good mix, with little differences here and there. I don't know why none of the AC Stations around here didn't play the single mix. I had only ever heard the Album Version and was surprised a few years ago to find that the single was remixed.

I liked "Can't We Try", but like many other songs, it got a little annoying after awhile and eventually it got to the point where I'd rush to the radio to turn it off when I'd hear Dan's vocals on the intro. I'm curious as to how it became Billboard's #1 Adult Contemporary song of the year when it didn't go to #1. Helped by total weeks on the chart, perhaps? (Both "Can't We Try" and "Never Thought (That I Could Love)" peaked at #2 on the AC Chart). With all the airplay on the AC stations they had around here, I was truly shocked neither one went to #1.

Does anyone know if a promo CD Single for "Can't We Try" exists?

Edited by thecdguy on 05 April 2020 at 9:31am


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I have never seen a promo CD for "Can't We Try," but I added the promo for "Never Thought" to Discogs a few minutes ago. It has a listed time of 3:32 and actual time of 3:31.

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I have "Never Thought I Could Love" on a TM disc. Is that
the hit mix?

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eriejwg wrote:
I have "Never Thought I Could Love" on a TM disc. Is that
the hit mix?


Is it TM Century 151? If it is, no it's not the hit mix. One way you can tell is that Dan sings "I love you" right before the guitar solo and whispers the same words right before the song ends on the single version. Those two "I Love You"'s aren't there at the same points on the album version.

And thanks for adding the promo to Discogs, Aaron!

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thecdguy wrote:

I never heard the single mix of the song until I looked
it up on YouTube. Good mix, with little differences


The non-album versions on YouTube are probably not the
single mix from the promo CD single. They are likely
the 1993 rerecording from Dan's Greatest Hits and
More... Let Me Show You
. We played the LP version
lifted from TM Century's GoldDisc collection back when
I was working in AC radio.

I just received a copy of the promo CD single mix and
it sounds like the intro is truncated. Is this how it
appears on the CD?

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[/QUOTE] The non-album versions on YouTube are probably not the
single mix from the promo CD single. They are likely
the 1993 rerecording from Dan's Greatest Hits and
More... Let Me Show You
. We played the LP version
lifted from TM Century's GoldDisc collection back when
I was working in AC radio.

I just received a copy of the promo CD single mix and
it sounds like the intro is truncated. Is this how it
appears on the CD?[/QUOTE]

The single version was on YouTube awhile ago, but it's apparently been taken off now. I tried looking for it so I could link it here for anyone who may not have heard it, but I couldn't find it at all. I used to have that "Let Me Show You" CD with the re-recordings of "Never Thought" and "Can't We Try", but now I need to get it again so I can put those remakes in my library.

When you say "truncated", do you mean that the intro seems shorter compared to the album version, or that the first note sounds truncated/comes in half a second late, or something like that? I believe the intro is the same length on both the album and single, and I don't remember the single version sounding like the first note was truncated when it was on YouTube.

By the way, the video for the song also uses the Album Version.

Never Thought (That I Could Love)

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thecdguy wrote:
When you say "truncated", do you mean
that the intro seems shorter compared to the album
version, or that the first note sounds truncated/comes in
half a second late, or something like that?


The latter yes, the first note sounds clipped in the copy
I have.

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Which is the single version of "Never Thought..."? The
version I recall hearing on the radio did not have him
saying "I love you" over the song's ending. The double-
sided 45 of this and "Can't We Try" has the "I love
you."
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Scanner wrote:
Which is the single version of "Never Thought..."? The
version I recall hearing on the radio did not have him
saying "I love you" over the song's ending. The double-
sided 45 of this and "Can't We Try" has the "I love
you."


The single is the one you described, with the "I Love You" whispered at the end. He also says it leading into the guitar
solo in the middle. The album version did not have either one of these, plus the single is remixed.

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Thanks for clarifying - I always thought the 45 sounded
more "produced," but wondered if that was just better
sound quality on record versus the radio.
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prisdeej wrote:
The latter yes, the first note sounds clipped in the copy
I have.


I just obtained a copy of the promo CD Single and the first note on the intro does sound clipped.

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