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According to the database, CD entries for Elvis Presley's "Kentucky Rain" range from 3:12 to 3:23. Does anyone have actual vinyl 45 and/or LP run times to help us determine if there is a difference in version, length, and/or speed between the two?
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My commercial 45, which is mono, has a listed time of (3:20) and an actual time of (3:21).
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The vinyl LP times in at (3:20).
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Pat:
I just wanted to let you know that the commercial 45 and LP run time info for "Kentucky Rain" was never incorporated into the database.
Edited by Todd Ireland on 23 January 2009 at 10:55am
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Just want to verify--does the correct take have strings on the intro, or is that the alternate take?
Edited by sriv94 on 23 January 2009 at 12:21pm
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Just had a minute to check the 45 and yes, the strings are on the intro and the time is 3:22. The stereo version that I checked (From "2nd To None") also had strings on the intro and timed at 3:17. I didn't hear any glaring differences other than the time.
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I wanted to suggest a correction to the database. The 2-CD Sony set "The Essential Elvis Presley" as well as the 3-disc edition "The Essential Elvis
Presley 3.0" actually contains a STEREO REMIX of "Kentucky Rain". The digital stereo reverb on the lead vocal is the first giveaway, although the rest
of the mix is fairly close to the original stereo mix. The female backing singer vocals have less impact in the remix, as well.
I believe this remix originated on the "2nd To None" compilation (nearly on the tracks on the "Essential" compilation are drawn straight from this and
the "30 #1 Hits" collection).
Edited by LunarLaugh on 22 March 2023 at 8:30pm
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I have come across two mixes of this song. One has the bass and (rather
faint) backup vocal in the right channel, the other has them center. Being a
mono, single-only issue in 1970 (yeah, it was on "Worldwide 50 Gold Award
Hits Vol. 1" in 1970 but in mono too), it was issued on several LPs over the
years in mono or "e". I believe its first stereo issue was on the 1984
compilation "Elvis' Gold Records Volume 5". Alas, I DID have that LP, but it's
long gone. And on the two CD issues of it, it is in two different lengths (and
I don't know which mix appears on either of the two CDs nor the LP).
Anyone have the "Gold Vol. 5" LP or original CD issue can listen to the mix?
In fact, there are MANY songs on CDs that are remixed that are not
reflected in the database as such. I seem to recall starting a thread on this a
while back, in an attempt to identify such remixes, but perhaps the sheer
volume of work it would be for Pat to re-listen to the MANY CDs to show
which ones have remixes on them is just too much.
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What I refer to as the "original stereo mix" is one that, as far as I can tell, appeared within several RCA/BMG CD releases in the years
before the big Sony/BMG merger of the 2000s. The reverb on the vocal in that mix is more in line with the mono mix; a sort of big,
dampened echo chamber sound that lays in the center of the stereo image. On the more recent remix, the reverb on the vocal is
noticeably in stereo and less 'authentic' sounding for the era the song was recorded in. This leads me to believe that the stereo mix
of the pre-Sony BMG digital era was most likely an original mix from the 60s that simply never got pulled for LP release back in the
day but was discovered by the time BMG's engineers started making digital transfers for CD.
I failed to mention there is also a different remix that appears on "The Memphis Record". All tracks on that particular album are quite
obviously (and, IMHO, unfortunately) remixed.
Edited by LunarLaugh on 23 March 2023 at 8:49pm
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Yeah, "The Memphis Record" contains yet another remix (not the one I was
referring to) that is missing the strings over the beginning. And yes, that LP/CD
contained many (or all) remixes. Seemed 1987 at the bg. of the CD era saw
many Elvis songs getting remixes that were not faithful to the original mono or
stereo mixes. "In The Ghetto" and "Suspicious Minds" come to mind.
In terms of the "original stereo mix", can you list a few CDs which have it?
Since it wasn't issued until much later than 1970, you may be right in that it
was mixed in 1969 (or thereabouts) but not issued. That's why I would like to
know what was issued on the original "Gold Vol. 5".
Edited by davidclark on 23 March 2023 at 9:14pm
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This "original stereo" mix appears on the excellent COUNTRY volume of TimeLife's The Elvis Presley Collection series of 2-CD sets. It was
mastered by Dennis Drake and sounds quite nice, though I suspect it's merely a clone of an earlier RCA/BMG CD. It also can be found on
disc 5 of the FROM NASHVILLE TO MEMPHIS ESSENTIAL 60s MASTERS box set.
Edited by LunarLaugh on 23 March 2023 at 9:35pm
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Yes, that's the one with the bass and (rather faint) backup vocal in the right
channel. That mix is also missing three tambourine hits at 1:16 (and possibly
missing from other sections - I don't know) that are in both the mono and
my other identified stereo mix (the one that runs longer with the dropout at
3:16-ish).
But to say that's the "original"? What constitutes "original" for this song?
The first to be issued (that might have been done at the time of issue, long
after the song was a hit), or one that was made when recorded but not
issued? Hence me asking what was on the original 1984 "Gold Vol. 5".
IMHO, if a stereo mix was issued at or near the time of the mono, then that's
clearly the "original", as is for most songs. If not this case, as is for
"Kentucky Rain", then it is not so clear. I personally don't refer to "original"
in cases like this, rather simply "stereo mix" for that first issue, and if more
mixes were issued later that were not like that "first" one, then I refer to
them as "alternate mix" or "remix".
Edited by davidclark on 23 March 2023 at 10:40pm
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To further elaborate, I only utilized the "original" terminology as I assume, given the way certain things are panned harder left and right and
the use of real acoustic echo chamber that is strikingly close to the reverb on the mono mix, that this mix was made around the same time as
the other stereo mixes derived from these sessions. You can listen to any track on the stereo Back In Memphis or From Elvis In Memphis albums
and compare how they sound with this mix of "Kentucky Rain". Despite it not quite matching the mono mix, this is the only stereo mix that has
all the same mojo as those other vintage stereo mixes.
The more recent stereo mix that appears on 2nd To None and The Essential attempts to copy the feel of this mix in terms of panning, but it
doesn't quite gel.
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