| Author |
|
Gary
MusicFan
Joined: 02 October 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 150
|
| Posted: 18 November 2006 at 6:58pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
I just found a promo copy of the 45 for this song that runs 4:13 both sides. Were all the commercial copies 3:49 or did some run 4:13?
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
edtop40
MusicFan
Joined: 29 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4990
|
| Posted: 24 March 2009 at 3:01pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
my commercial 45 issued as asylum 47055 states a run time of 3:49 and indeed does run that length...i found the correct 45 version on the greatest hits cd "archive" issued on the riato label in 1997......the only difference is that the 45 fades out from the 3:15 mark to 3:49...and the fade out is tough to replicate...it's not a gradual fade but a normal fade to start then it takes about 0:20 to finish....in addition the first note on this cd and the 45 are the same.....no glitch or errors....
Edited by edtop40 on 24 March 2009 at 3:04pm
__________________
edtop40
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
crapfromthepast
MusicFan
Joined: 14 September 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 2190
|
| Posted: 04 April 2014 at 2:53pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
This song rarely turns up on compilations, so I assumed
it was on an indie label. Nope, the Korgis were on
Asylum here in the US. "Everybody's Got To Learn
Sometime" got lost in the shuffle in the US, buried under
the Linda Ronstadt, Eagles and Jackson Browne records on
Asylum that commanded the label's attention in 1980.
The LP version runs 4:09 on EMI UK's 2-CD Now The
Millennium Series 1980 (1999), and there's a
differently EQ'd digital clone on Time-Life's 2-CD
Classic Soft Rock Vol. 2 Ride Like The Wind
(2006). Both of these are likely source from a pre-1999
CD, but I don't know which one. The same analog transfer
is used on EMI UK's 2-CD Best Of 1980-1981 (2003).
All three sound good, with no clipping, good EQ, no
excessive compression/limiting, and no evidence of noise
reduction.
The LP version on EMI Australia's 5-CD Eighties
Complete Vol. 2 (1999) fades about 7 seconds more
quickly than the above two.
The LP version on Then Totally Oldies Vol. 7 The 80s
Again replaces the first note, as noted above. Not
cool! Avoid.
Using the Time-Life disc as my source, the editing
instructions are simple for recreating the 45 edit:
Segment 1:
Extends from 0:00.0 to 3:14.8 of the 45 edit and the LP
version.
Ends on the first snare hit after the break.
Remove the 32 beats from 3:14.8 to 3:40.7 of the LP
version.
Segment 2:
Extends from 3:14.8 to 3:46.4 (end) of the 45 edit.
Extends from 3:40.7 to 4:12.3 (end) of the LP version.
Your mixdown will run 3:43 without outro silence, 3:46.4
with outro silence, and a single edit at 3:14.8.
Just so you know, there's a rerecorded version out there,
which was done for the This World's For Everyone
in 1992. The opening keyboard tones are different than
the 1980 version. I think this is the version that turns
up on the UK's 2-CD Sampled Vol. 1 (2000), where
it runs about 3:37.
__________________
There's a lot of crap on the radio, but there's only one Crap From The Past.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
jimct
MusicFan
Joined: 07 April 2006
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3906
|
| Posted: 04 April 2014 at 5:51pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Ron, this song was always a big personal fave of mine. As such, I bought a
UK import CD: The Korgis-"The Best Of & The Rest Of", on Action Replay
#CDAR 1015. Released back in 1990. Some years back, Aaron analyzed
"Everybody's....", and confirmed that it features the original 1980 Elektra LP
version, including the first note. Used CD copies are still available for it, at
great prices, for anyone interested.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
NightAire
MusicFan
Joined: 20 February 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 973
|
| Posted: 26 December 2018 at 12:14am | IP Logged
|
|
|
"DJ copies of this 45 run (4:13)"
Does this mean that the DJ / promo version matches the LP version, or did it actually add 4 seconds? Does anybody know if it was a different mix or had different lyrics?
A listener requested this and I don't remember ever hearing it... it's fantastic! I want to be sure to get the "radio" version into rotation.
__________________
Gene Savage
http://www.BlackLightRadio.com
http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage
Owasso, Oklahoma USA
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
NightAire
MusicFan
Joined: 20 February 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 973
|
| Posted: 26 December 2018 at 9:21pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
I believe I just answered my own question.
It appears the full-length LP version was released to radio here.
It ALSO appears the single edit was released to radio
here.
It might be worth noting the edit is listed as mono and the LP length is listed as stereo... perhaps they believe AM hit radio stations would play the edit and album rock FM stations would play the full-length version?
I'd still be curious if anybody remembers hearing the edit or the LP version more. I suspect the edit ruled on hit radio because edits typically do, but I have no memory of this song.
__________________
Gene Savage
http://www.BlackLightRadio.com
http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage
Owasso, Oklahoma USA
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
eriejwg
MusicFan
Joined: 10 June 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3483
|
| Posted: 26 December 2018 at 10:12pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Gene, if you click on the additional images on Discogs for
the edit, you'll see there was a stereo side for the 3:49
edit.
I remember playing this song in 1980 at an adult
contemporary station when it came out but I don't remember
if it was the edit or the full length version.
__________________
John Gallagher
John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment
Snapblast Photo Booth
Erie, PA
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
NightAire
MusicFan
Joined: 20 February 2010
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 973
|
| Posted: 26 December 2018 at 10:15pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Great info John; thanks!
__________________
Gene Savage
http://www.BlackLightRadio.com
http://www.facebook.com/TulsaSavage
Owasso, Oklahoma USA
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Hykker
MusicFan
Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: 01 January 2019 at 3:17pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Gary wrote:
I just found a promo copy of the 45 for
this song that runs 4:13 both sides. Were all the
commercial copies 3:49 or did some run 4:13? |
|
|
I just timed my promo. Listed 3:49, actual 3:46.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
AdvprosD
MusicFan
Joined: 12 June 2020
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 349
|
| Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:35am | IP Logged
|
|
|
This sounds like a song 10cc or the little river band might do. I'm shocked, SHOCKED! I tell you when I say I don't remember this song at all.
I was scanning an ad from Time-Life online and ran across it. Was this left out of the Midwest charts? Where was this popular?
__________________
<Dave> Someone please tell I-Heart Radio that St. Louis is not known as The Loo!
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Paul Haney
MusicFan
Joined: 01 April 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1709
|
| Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:49am | IP Logged
|
|
|
AdvprosD wrote:
I was scanning an ad from Time-Life
online and ran across it. Was this left out of the Midwest
charts? Where was this popular? |
|
|
One of my favorite songs from 1980!
It went Top 10 on KDWB in Minneapolis and Top 20 on KBEQ
in Kansas City.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Jody Thornton
MusicFan
Joined: 23 May 2008
Location: Canada
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 462
|
| Posted: 26 September 2022 at 9:59am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Paul Haney wrote:
AdvprosD wrote:
I was scanning an ad from Time-Life
online and ran across it. Was this left out of the Midwest
charts? Where was this popular? |
|
|
One of my favorite songs from 1980!
It went Top 10 on KDWB in Minneapolis and Top 20 on KBEQ
in Kansas City. |
|
|
Same here. The last quarter of the year had great hits like this one, Roger Daltrey, Devo and the Doobies
__________________
Cheers,
Jody Thornton
(Richmond Hill, Ontario)
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
jono
MusicFan
Joined: 26 September 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 146
|
| Posted: 26 September 2022 at 3:35pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Heard it frequently in Eastern Wisconsin back in the day. Not sure how
popular it was on any local charts, but it was definitely played there. I used
to listen to WKAU (Kaukauna), WHBY (Appleton) and WIXX (Green Bay). It
may have been most popular on WHBY, since that was more of an AC
station, but WIXX used to air Casey’s Top 40 and I’m sure they played it
pretty often as well.
Jon O.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
C J Brown
MusicFan
Joined: 27 December 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 110
|
| Posted: 26 September 2022 at 3:38pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
On CKLW The Korgis first appeared on the weekly chart as
"new music" on Nov 4,1980. It then spent 6 weeks on CKLW
Top 30 Music Guide peaking at #16 the week of Dec 9,1980
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Hykker
MusicFan
Joined: 30 October 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1371
|
| Posted: 27 September 2022 at 5:19am | IP Logged
|
|
|
AdvprosD wrote:
I'm shocked, SHOCKED! I tell you when I say I don't remember this song at all.
I was scanning an ad from Time-Life online and ran across it. Was this left out of the Midwest charts? Where was this
popular? |
|
|
I was a bit surprised to see that this song peaked at #18 in BB, I went back and gave my copy a listen...sounded
vaguely familiar but definitely not an "oh yeah" song. I'm sure we played this at the station I worked at in 1980, but
it doesn't stand out. Then again, there were a lot of forgettable songs out in that '80-81 timeframe. Kind of a vacuum
in pop music once disco imploded.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
mjb50
MusicFan
Joined: 28 April 2021
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 263
|
| Posted: 27 September 2022 at 5:44am | IP Logged
|
|
|
The 4:22 "alternate" album version said to have first appeared on the Edsel reissue in 1999 is in fact on an original Dutch LP, albeit faded out by about 4:18.
Meanwhile, the German LP says it includes the "UK Top Hit" and plays the 4:12 full-length single version.
On YouTube, this 45 runs the full 4:12, maybe even a little longer:
• Spanish 45
On YouTube, these 45s are about a 3:50 early fade of the 4:12 version:
• UK 45
• French 45
• German 45 (stopped early)
So is the US 45 version different than these?
The music video contains an even earlier fade (3:28).
I have the 4:12 full-length single version on One Shot '80 vol. 3:
• Intro synth centered
• tinkly bells at 0:44 in wide stereo
• 1:12 lyrics are "Change your heart" thru "like the sunshine"
• 2:47 lyrics are "and everybody's got to learn sometime"
• 3:13 shimmery synth is very loud.
I have the 4:22 alternate album version from the 1999 Dumb Waiters CD reissue:
• Intro synth slightly right and less reverby
• tinkly bells at 0:44 in narrower stereo
• 1:12 lyrics are "Every day" thru "when will we see the light"
• 2:47 lyrics are "'s everybody's got to learn sometime"
• 3:13 shimmery synth is not so forward
• fade out runs 10 seconds longer
On Discogs, I noticed the US LP shows a duration on the labels of 4:15, whereas European ones say 4:25.
Given all this, I suspect the alternate version is in fact the original album version, but the single's popularity resulted in it becoming the album version on some releases.
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Paul Haney
MusicFan
Joined: 01 April 2005
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 1709
|
| Posted: 27 September 2022 at 10:30am | IP Logged
|
|
|
Hykker wrote:
I was a bit surprised to see that this song peaked at #18 in BB,
I went back and gave my copy a listen...sounded vaguely familiar but definitely
not an "oh yeah" song. I'm sure we played this at the station I worked at in
1980, but it doesn't stand out. Then again, there were a lot of forgettable
songs out in that '80-81 timeframe. Kind of a vacuum in pop music once disco
imploded. |
|
|
Ouch! Seeing as how my favorite year for music is 1980, I can find tons of
great songs (including this one). But like any other year, there are
forgettable ones as well. I realize that the narrative built up over the years
is that 1980-81 is full of "soft" hits, but many of them are near and dear to
my heart (and I can cite plenty of uptempo hits as well). Guess it's all a
matter of perspective.
Edited by Paul Haney on 27 September 2022 at 1:36pm
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
edtop40
MusicFan
Joined: 29 October 2004
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 4990
|
| Posted: 27 September 2022 at 2:42pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
I kind of agree with Hykker the years 1980-1981 could be
the lowest point in pop music until 1983 when Michael
Jackson exploded....just one man's opinion...
__________________
edtop40
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
C J Brown
MusicFan
Joined: 27 December 2007
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 110
|
| Posted: 27 September 2022 at 3:39pm | IP Logged
|
|
|
Surprised more members did not hear the Korgis at night via
CKLW skywave
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
eriejwg
MusicFan
Joined: 10 June 2007
Location: United States
Online Status: Offline
Posts: 3483
|
| Posted: 28 September 2022 at 7:58am | IP Logged
|
|
|
I was working at an adult contemporary station in
Jamestown, NY in 1980 when this song came out and I know we
played this song. I can still see the white label promo 45
in my head.
__________________
John Gallagher
John Gallagher Wedding & Special Event Entertainment
Snapblast Photo Booth
Erie, PA
|
| Back to Top |
|
| |
Active Topics 
Memberlist 
Search 
Help
Register 
Login
Top 40 Music on Compact Disc : Chat Board
Topic: "Everybody’s Got to Learn Sometime"
