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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 6:51am | IP Logged Quote Fetta

Can someone fill me in on the TM Century Gold Discs. What are they and how can I get them. I am not familiar with them and I seem them being referenced many times on these chat boards?

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Posted: 27 April 2005 at 10:54am | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Fetta, these are discs specifically licensed and leased for broadcast use. They are only available to radio stations and they are not sold (legally) in stores. On occasion, I've come across one or two in used music stores, but they are generally very difficult to find. TM Century is a large broadcast service company that provides music libraries, jingles, production music, etc., to radio stations.
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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 4:22pm | IP Logged Quote prisdeej

I know this topic is water under the bridge, but I'd like to comment on the GoldDisc
product.

I've been using them for a number of years, as I own two libraries. The majority of
the music serviced is hard to find because the 45 edits/mixes were mastered from
promotional copies sent directly to radio. Occasionally TM misses the 45 version and
uses the LP version, or in some cases they edited the LP down themselves to recreate
the 45 version. For the most part I'm pleased with the product as they did a decent
job mastering the discs.

On the downside, the Sonic Solutions "NoNoise" technology is in my opinion an
abomination to the original material. It was a marketing tactic that gave them an edge
in 1987-90 and it made the GoldDisc line quite attractive to radio. No more vinyl, eh?

I've spent years dissecting my "N" generation GoldDiscs, and without a doubt 63% of the
cuts prior to 1990 are mastered from vinyl. Second hand vinyl dubs with copious
amounts of noise reduction. But wait, the noise reduction process was used on many
GoldDisc cuts taken from 1990+ Promo CDs. Some background noise is intended and is
acceptable. When too much reduction is used it takes away from the original integrity
of the recording. It's disrespectful. Their marketing team still believes they have
the best sounding product for the broadcast industry. I doubt TM Studios had as much
of an "in" as Time Life in obtaining the original 45 masters and making the discs sound
as "sonically" superior. :P

This isn't meant to bash TM Studios, their current HitDiscs/PrimeCuts product is an
exemplary model for mobile DJ's and programmers who need the hits fast. Just please do
your homework when programming your stations using TM's GoldDiscs.   

I trust Pat's database and the ears on this forum, first.
:)





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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 4:38pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

Yes, I've mentioned GoldDiscs in several other threads over the years. I'll restate the main points to remember:

- GoldDiscs containing songs released earlier than 1990 cannot be trusted to have the correct single edits and mixes.
- Most (dare I say 95%?) of their custom edits are not correct. I've found MANY unsuccessful attempts; sometimes they are off only by a little, and other times they missed the mark by a mile.
- Regarding noise reduction, the red typeface discs are really bad. The black typeface discs are much better, but still have noise reduction applied to older cuts (1989 and back). Some of the 1990s discs have NR applied, too, but it seems to be very light (if any), so that it's not really noticeable.

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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 5:18pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man

Sometimes I wonder if the wrong edits that show up on some
commercial CDs originated from pre-1990 TM Century Gold
Discs.

Did those people not care if the edits were correct?

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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 5:26pm | IP Logged Quote prisdeej

I think what it boils down to, aside from us audio people, will
anybody else really care to notice? As long as they can get it as
close as possible.

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Posted: 07 March 2012 at 8:26pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

The Hits Man wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if the wrong edits that show up on some
commercial CDs originated from pre-1990 TM Century Gold
Discs.

Did those people not care if the edits were correct?

Their early edits were done on digital reel-to-reel tapes with a razor blade and tape. They didn't have the precise digital editing tools when they made those first discs. They also did not have access to any master tapes from record labels. They had to use either promo CDs/45s or commercially available CDs and vinyl.

I highly doubt any commercial CDs used GoldDisc edits, but nothing surprises me.

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Posted: 09 March 2012 at 7:01pm | IP Logged Quote The Hits Man

prisdeej wrote:
I think what it boils down to, aside from
us audio people, will
anybody else really care to notice? As long as they can
get it as
close as possible.


On some level: people remember. If they don't, they sense
something is wrong.

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Posted: 09 March 2012 at 9:36pm | IP Logged Quote prisdeej

The Hits Man wrote:

On some level: people remember. If they don't, they sense
something is wrong.


I do agree some might sense, especially if it triggers a
memory. On average, it's a very passive medium.   

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Posted: 09 March 2012 at 11:06pm | IP Logged Quote aaronk

I agree, Dave. It is a very passive medium. I do think that the average person doesn't know or doesn't care. The exception, as Hits Man says, is if it's drastically different from what they remember. Subtle differences go unnoticed.

For the longest time I thought that the edit of "Let's Go Crazy" on TM's GoldDisc was the 45 version. I must have played that 45 several hundred times as a kid, and upon hearing the GoldDisc edit years later (no crossfaded intro), I never realized anything was wrong until it was pointed out to me.

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Is there an online database or reference where I can see
the complete tracklistings for TM Century gold discs?

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TM got out of the music subscription business about 18
months ago or so and is strictly back in the jingle
business. I have some spreadsheets I downloaded back when
TM PrimeCuts was ending if you want to DM me I can send it
to you. I don't know how far back the listings go.

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LunarLaugh wrote:
Is there an online database or
reference where I can see
the complete tracklistings for TM Century gold discs?


Use this link and you get the spreadsheets:

https://members.tmstudios.com/securedownload/dl.aspx?
fid=SongData

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Gary wrote:
Use this link and you get the
spreadsheets....


Apparently you have to be a client to access this. I get
a general welcome screen. Maybe someone can download the
file and post it temporarily on DropBox or something
similar.
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TallPaulInKy wrote:
Gary wrote:
Use this link and you
get the
spreadsheets....


Apparently you have to be a client to access this. I get
a general welcome screen. Maybe someone can download the
file and post it temporarily on DropBox or something
similar.

It worked for me and I'm not a client.

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LunarLaugh wrote:
TallPaulInKy wrote:

Apparently you have to be a client to access this. I get
a general welcome screen. Maybe someone can download the
file and post it temporarily on DropBox or something
similar.

It worked for me and I'm not a client.


Someone posted that link a few months ago. First couple
times it didn't work, then next time it did.
Keep trying.
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