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Posted: 10 August 2012 at 7:49am | IP Logged Quote edtop40

yah shure,

thanks for the detailed explanation.....btw...i see that
there is another atco 45 issued as 45-6809 with the added
label info as '71-c-21302 sp'...do you know what the
differences are between your '71c-21302 pl' and this '71-c-
21302 sp' version?

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Posted: 10 August 2012 at 9:48am | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure

Ed, Atlantic contracted its record manufacturing out to several independent firms across the country, and the two-letter code at the end of the matrix number on the label indicates which of those firms pressed the record.

In 1971-72, Atlantic mainly used three firms to press the company's 45s. Here are their codes and the portion of the U.S. to which their respective commercial pressings were primarily shipped:

SP = Specialty Records, Olyphant, PA.....Eastern U.S.
PL = Plastic Products, Memphis, TN.......Central U.S.
MO = Monarch Records, Los Angeles, CA....Western U.S.

Generally, you'd find Atlantic/Atco 45s in your local stores from the same pressing plant, but pressings from one of the other two plants might show up on occasion, particularly if a store's distributor or rack jobber was located in a different region of the country.

You could sometimes find multiple copies of the same title from more than one plant in the cutout bins.
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Posted: 10 August 2012 at 6:14pm | IP Logged Quote Hykker

Yah Shure wrote:


In 1971-72, Atlantic mainly used three firms to press the company's 45s. Here are their codes and the portion of the U.S. to which their respective commercial pressings were primarily shipped:

SP = Specialty Records, Olyphant, PA.....Eastern U.S.
PL = Plastic Products, Memphis, TN.......Central U.S.
MO = Monarch Records, Los Angeles, CA....Western U.S.



Curiously, were all Monarch pressings styrene? I have a number of Monarch pressings of Atlantic/Atco singles from the 60s & 70s and they're all styrene. Don't think I've come across an east coast one that wasn't vinyl.

Unlike some labels, Atlantic seemed to use multiple plants to press promos too.


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Posted: 11 August 2012 at 8:22am | IP Logged Quote KentT

Most Monarch pressings were styrene. But not all of them were.

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Posted: 11 August 2012 at 12:09pm | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure

Hykker wrote:
Curiously, were all Monarch pressings styrene? I have a number of Monarch pressings of Atlantic/Atco singles from the 60s & 70s and they're all styrene. Don't think I've come across an east coast one that wasn't vinyl.


I've never run across a Monarch Atlantic/Atco 45 from that era that wasn't styrene. The first one I ever bought new in my neck of the woods was Buffalo Springfield's "Bluebird" in 1967. The only east coast Atlantic-related styrene 45s I'm aware of from '71-'72 were some occasional Shelley Products ("LY") pressings (Aaron has a Shelley styrene stock copy of the Stones' "Brown Sugar.") But Shelley wasn't Atlantic's primary east coast 45 presser.

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Unlike some labels, Atlantic seemed to use multiple plants to press promos too.


I always found that interesting, considering that all of the DJ 45s my college station received by mail from Atlantic were always Specialty pressings. The other two plants were used to supply promo 45s to the WEA branch offices within their respective geographical territories (for example, the extra DJ 45s I routinely picked up at the Minneapolis WEA branch office were invariably from Plastic Products.) After PP closed in 1976, Atlantic switched its central U.S. 45 pressing to PRC ("RI") whose styrene stock and DJ 45s were several notches down the quality ladder even from the often-iffy Plastic Products.

(Coincidentally, this coming Friday, August 17th, the Shelby County Historical Society will dedicate a historic marker at the row of quonset huts in Memphis that housed Plastic Products from 1949 until it closed.)

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Most Monarch pressings were styrene. But not all of them were.


Can you cite some examples of those vinyl Atlantic/Atco Monarch 45s? As I mentioned, I've never seen any from the late '60s through the early '70s.

Of course, Monarch did produce a few vinyl stock 45s for other labels. The first one I encountered in the stores was Shawn Phillips' "We" on A&M.

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Posted: 11 August 2012 at 7:37pm | IP Logged Quote TomDiehl1

Yah Shure wrote:
(Coincidentally, this coming Friday, August 17th, the Shelby County Historical Society will dedicate a historic marker at the row of quonset huts in Memphis that housed Plastic Products from 1949 until it closed.)



I was in Memphis in June for a couple of days and sought out a few historical music areas including the area for Plastic Products. I'm not really sure but it looked to me like that row of quonset huts had been turned into residential homes (the one that I'm told housed PP primarily, is up for sale last time I had heard).

When did Plastic Products close? (Pressing plant history is one area of music I am not familiar with at all)

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Posted: 11 August 2012 at 8:04pm | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure

TomDiehl1 wrote:
When did Plastic Products close?


Yah Shure wrote:
After PP closed in 1976, Atlantic switched its central U.S. 45 pressing to PRC...


And this was just three years after the company had reached its peak in 1973. For a time in the late '60s, Plastic Products had shifted all of its 45 pressing to its other plant in Coldwater, Mississippi before resuming pressing activity at the Memphis site. The loss of some key label accounts, coupled with a downturn in sales of 45s prompted William Buster, the company's founder/owner, to fold up his tent and move on to another field even closer to vinyl: oil!

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Posted: 11 August 2012 at 10:32pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

Yah Shure wrote:
The loss of some key label accounts, coupled with a downturn in sales of 45s prompted William Buster, the company's founder/owner, to fold up his tent and move on to another field even closer to vinyl: oil!


Forgive me if this is a silly question, but this isn't the same Bill Buster who eventually went on to become the founder and CEO of Eric Records, is it?
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Posted: 12 August 2012 at 5:41am | IP Logged Quote Yah Shure

A silly question? Not at all. A brain fart on my part? Definitely. :)

PP's owner was actually the late R.E. "Buster" Williams.
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To Todd:

I *think* Bill Buster of ERIC Records is the same man who produced the Assembled Multitude hit "Overture From Tommy".

Can anyone verify?

Sorry for thread derail...

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AndrewChouffi wrote:
To Todd:

I *think* Bill Buster of ERIC Records is the same man who produced the Assembled Multitude hit "Overture From Tommy".

Can anyone verify?

Sorry for thread derail...

Andy


Yes one and the same and that 45 first came out on.... ERIC records.

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To Tom Diehl:

Wow! There's my proof!

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I know it's off topic but that Assembled Multitude track has only shown up on CD domestically three times and never on a Eric Records disc (I'm surprised Bill has never put it on one of his Eric Records CD compilations). I had no idea it was an Eric 45 before. I've only seen the 45 on Atlantic. Thanks for that info Tom.

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To bring this full-circle, I picked up a Layla reissue tonight, on ERIC 6104
(backed with Bobby Bloom's "Montego Bay"). The Eric label is marked (c) 1986
Polygram.

This may have varied regionally, but I think the font on the Polydor/Time Spaces
reissue came from later in the '80s. Might this Eric reissue have predated the
Polydor/Time Pieces series?

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"Layla" finally surfaced on Polydor's Timepieces 45 reissue series, which
marked the first commercial
appearance of the full-length track in stereo on 45.


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The Eric reissue predates it. The Polydor
45 is from about 1989 or 1990.

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