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Posted: 29 March 2005 at 9:26pm \| IP Logged

Just posted a review of "Rock & Roll The First 50 Years: The Late '60s 25 Top 10 Hits" on the Varese Sarabande label over on the review board. I came across "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" by the Casinos in stereo and it rang a bell that in the past few months, on another chat board I have seen a discussion of whether this is the true original hit recording or a very close alternate take. I have not been convinced yet that these stereo appearances are an alternate take so if anyone can point out noticeable differences (other than the mix) between the 45 and the stereo versions that appear on cd, I would appreciate your input.

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Posted: 04 April 2005 at 9:28am \| IP Logged

Pat:

I have the Casino's "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" in true stereo (S), electronically rechannelled stereo (E), and am presently working on aquiring it in mono (M). When you say "alternate take" are you inquiring about differences in the vocals only or in all of the instrumentation as well?

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Posted: 04 April 2005 at 6:30pm \| IP Logged

Todd, the Casinos "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" thread was started on the Both Sides Now web site back in late January/early February. Here is a quote from one contributor detailing the differences between the 45 and stereo versions that appear on cd's to date:

"I have the original Fraternity LP and the original single version is there but nowhere else as far as I can tell. The vocal intonations are a little more haunting on the 45 take and the organ is slightly different in a few places too".

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Posted: 20 May 2005 at 8:57pm \| IP Logged

I just got done doing an thorough A/B comparison between the mono version of The Casino's "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" and the stereo version appearing on Dick Bartley Presents One Hit Wonders of the 60's Volume 2 CD (Rhino 70996). I can say with confidence that the vocal track is exactly the same on both. I found no evidence to suggest these are different vocal takes. Perhaps the "haunting intonations" the BSN message poster believed he was perceiving had more to do with the recording's sound quality than the vocal itself.

I also did not notice any instrumental differences between the two mixes either. Perhaps the reason why the organ may give the illusion of being slightly different is because it is much more prominently mixed on the mono version, yet sounds almost buried at times on the stereo version. I'm in agreement with you, Pat... I hear nothing on the stereo version to suggest it's an alternate take.

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Posted: 24 July 2008 at 5:52pm \| IP Logged

My commercial 45, which is mono and confirmed as Fraternity 977, has a listed time of (2:57), but an actual time of (3:03).

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Posted: 24 July 2008 at 7:56pm \| IP Logged

Reviving the question as to whether or not the single vs. stereo CD issues are different takes, I agree the vocal take is the same. However, on the original Fraternity 45 (I have two copies) the song ends after the word "goodbye" with the organ by itself, then the organ ends abruptly and the organ reverbs out. No fade down on the organ at the end.

The Dick Bartley One Hit Wonders CD stereo version ends with the ogran fading down all the way to zero, and no reverb trailing off.

So there IS a difference. If it's worth noting..

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Posted: 28 December 2011 at 3:29pm \| IP Logged

Just thought I'd bump up this thread in case Jim's commercial 45 run time information for the Casino's "Then You Can Tell Me Goodbye" was accidentally missed for database consideration.

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Posted: 17 April 2012 at 11:04am \| IP Logged

I have this song on a couple of different CDs and I just noticed this recently: The stereo version (on The Best Of...on the Verese label) has a slight glitch at about the (1:31) mark. The mono version (on AM Gold - 1967) runs slightly faster, but does not have the glitch. I'm just wondering if that's also the case for the other stereo/mono versions on CD?

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Posted: 10 May 2012 at 7:18pm \| IP Logged

The original hit is mono only. And uncommon on CD, the Stereo on many comps is an alternate take. And the mono is also sped up and lacks the glitch.

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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 10:32am \| IP Logged

Just doing some A/B comparing for myself, and I think that the mono is worth having a "45 version" notation. The organ has reverb on the mono, whereas it's dry on the stereo version. The organ reverb is especially noticeable on the solo that starts at about 1:30 and on the last note of the song.

Some other things to note about the CD copies I'm listening to:

- The mono copy on Time-Life's AM Gold sounds like a ton of noise reduction has been applied; it's very muddy.
- The stereo copy on the Dick Bartley CD has the first fraction of a second truncated.
- I disagree that the organ note fades to zero on the Bartley CD, but I do agree that there is no reverb on the organ.
- The Bartley CD runs too slow (about 1.5%).
- The Time-Life CD runs too fast (about 1.5%).
- There is no difference between the takes on the Time-Life and Bartley CDs.

Are there any mono CD copies that have good sound quality? (or any "E" copies that can be folded to mono with good results)

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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 8:56pm \| IP Logged

The song doesn't sound too bad on Old School Oldies
3. I'll send you a copy for your review.

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Posted: 06 June 2012 at 8:58pm \| IP Logged

The organ trails off on the Old School Oldies 3 CD.

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Posted: 15 November 2017 at 10:36pm \| IP Logged

And also a somewhat longer LP version,too.

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Posted: 16 November 2017 at 11:21am \| IP Logged

Steve Carras wrote:

And also a somewhat
longer LP version,too.

Did the long 3:30ish mono version come out
earlier than the 1976 lp on Carol Records?

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 9:38am \| IP Logged

TomDiehl1 wrote:

Steve Carras wrote:

And also a somewhat
longer LP version,too.

Did the long 3:30ish mono version come out
earlier than the 1976 lp on Carol Records?

I don't know..not familiar with the LP you mention.

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Posted: 27 February 2022 at 9:56am \| IP Logged

The 3:30ish version is on the VA compilation, "12 Hits Of The 60's, Volume 2". Is this the LP version? The reason I ask is because all the US listings
of the album state a run time of 2:57 on Discogs, and I was wondering if it was possibly a misprint. The liner notes of the above comp state that "The
original un-edited version is presented on this CD", which makes me think it was probably just never released prior to that particular CD.

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Posted: 27 February 2022 at 7:10pm \| IP Logged

Interesting discussion! I never heard this longer versionand figured
just the instrumental break would longerbut the intro is longer too.
Here is is if you havent heard it:
https://youtu.be/PT9Xs42n4kg

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Posted: 27 February 2022 at 7:48pm \| IP Logged

MPH711 wrote:

The ending seems to be longer as well.

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Posted: 28 February 2022 at 5:48pm \| IP Logged

I had read that the long version, the complete unedited session, which
includes extra bars during the intro and towards the end, comes from a 1976
LP Gene Hughes (lead singer of The Casinos) LP "Yesterday, Today and
Tomorrow" on Carol Records - it had not been released until that LP.

https://www.discogs.com/fr/release/12516392-Gene-Hughes-and- the-
Casinos-Yesterday-Today-and-Tomorrow

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Posted: 01 March 2022 at 8:29am \| IP Logged

The long version can be heard on
[URL=https://youtu.be/PT9Xs42n4kg]YouTube[/U
RL].

Edited by TomDiehl1 on 01 March 2022 at 8:30am

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