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although not in pat's database, it did break the billboard top 40 charts in 1987......question is.....allmusic.com states that there was a 4:11 version, which would match up with the 45's run time, issued as a cd single in 1993 as a backtrax reissue.....it was issued with "lean on me", their big hit as the a-side of the cassingle.......i've never seen this as a cd single.....does anyone remember this being the case or does anyone have this re-issued cassingle format as a cd single??
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i just found it on half.com for $2.00....i'll post my findings when i get it...
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Ed, did you ever receive that "Backtrax" CD/come to a definitive conclusion for this song? The A-side of my commercial 45 has a listed time of (4:11), but an actual time of (4:08). Additionally, the "B" side of my commercial 45 is simply an edited version of the same song (listed time 3:43; actual time 3:42.) Ironically, we received a promo CD sampler to the station around then, and it includes the B-side mix on it, which called it the "7" Version." To further murky the waters, BOTH sides of my promo 45 have the listed (4:11) version on it, further supporting its standing as the official "A" side. Have I heard somewhere that the 45's A-side cannot be recreated from the original "Life, Love & Pain" CD? By the way, on the same sampler I referred to earlier, they also happened to include a "12" Version" of this song. If it's still an "open item", perhaps the 45's A-side can be culled from this 12" mix...
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yes jim....a backtrax cassingle was issued in the early 90's as well as a backtrax cd single, which i bought awhile back.....and, it does contain the proper 45 version running 4:11...if anyone needs the 4:11 version of the song, let me know.....
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Don't know how tough to find this song is but the proper 45 version can be found on Uptown Saturday Night - Jump To The Beat (Time-Life 22052) which is in the database.
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Discogs lists exactly one 7" 45 RPM promo for USA radio that is supposedly a "remix / edit" and claims to run 4:01.
This would not be the first time a promo single was labeled improperly in an (alleged) attempt to get radio to consider a single they'd already skipped over.
Does anybody have this specific promo who can determine if it is actually a 4:01 remix or if it's the same 4:08 edit on the stock 7" single?
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Interesting! For what it's worth, the 12" "Club Mix" version was remixed by the "M+M" team (John Morales, Sergei Munzibai), who also receive remix credit on the "Remix / Edit" promo 45 you just linked to. Could definitely be
an edit of the remix.
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I ordered a copy of the promo 45, and I'll let you know what's on it when it arrives.
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aaronk wrote:
I ordered a copy of the promo 45, and I'll
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Aaron it would be very interesting for you to tell us about
it and clear up our doubts with this remix/edit, cheers
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Anxiously awaiting your findings, Aaron!
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The promo 45 arrived, and it has an edit of the Club Mix. The actual run time is 4:06.
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...but the Club Mix cannot be edited down to create the Remix/Edit. I just tried it. The first 32 seconds of the 45 are unique, and there is a unique 12-second chorus near the end that is also not found on the 12" mix.
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Aaron,
There was an additional, even longer 12" remix called the 'Ultimate Nouveau Mix', that was issued on the B-Side of the 12" single. Could the promo "Remix/Edit" be an edit of this
mix? I ask because there is a longer 5-minute-ish "Radio Edit" from the 12" that is either an edit of this mix or at least borrows some sections from it. Could be the same trickery at play here ;-)
Unfortunately, I've never been able to find the 'Ultimate Nouveau Mix' on CD to work with.
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Is the 12" Radio Edit taken from the Ultimate Nouveau Mix or the Club Mix? I suppose it's possible the Remix/Edit is an even more edited down version of the Radio Edit, but I don't hear any parts in the Ultimate Nouveau Mix that match the promo 45.
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I can't remember, to be honest! I tried to create the 5-minute radio edit from the "Club Mix" a few years ago (not knowing the shorter remix/edit existed, even) and gave up after
realizing it wasn't possible, but at the time, I think I heard enough similarities between the sections in the "Radio Edit" that I couldn't locate in the Club Mix and the
Ultimate Nouveau, to think that it was likely an edit of the latter, or a combination of both. I may have been wrong, though. I was working on the fly with this one and didn't keep
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I have a 12" copy at storage, likely unplayed, so I'll grab it when I head over there.
Regarding the Remix/Edit, the sections from 0:00-0:32 and 3:34-3:46 are unique. The sections from 0:32-3:34 and 3:46-4:06 are taken directly from the Club Mix.
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I'm spinning the 12" single right now, and the intro of the 5:33 Radio Edit exactly matches the promo 45 Remix/Edit. Overall, most of the mix matches the Club Mix, but there are some unique sections as noted.
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After an A/B, I can confirm the shorter Remix/Edit is taken from the 12" Radio Edit, so the unique parts on the Remix/Edit are all found on the Radio Edit. The Radio Edit uses more of the Club Mix toward the end, which is what accounts for most of the additional 1.5-minutes between the two versions. The Radio Edit also runs slower and has an extra 8 beats on the intro, which are unique to the Radio Edit.
In other words…
0:00 to 0:37 of 12" Radio Edit are unique
0:37 to 3:42 use Club Mix
3:42 to 3:54 of 12" Radio Edit are unique
3:54 to end use Club Mix
The Remix/Edit is sped up by approximately 1.5% and removes 0:02 to 0:07 and 4:00 to 5:18 of the 12" Radio Edit.
There are probably only three people in the universe that needed this information.
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Thank you for your service!!
As a #2 R&B hit in BB, I’m sure it’s beloved to more folks than its meager
Hot 100 peak would indicate!
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