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Todd Ireland wrote:
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What do you mean by that, Doug? |
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In another thread, it was discovered that the tape slips near the end of the song on this disc. It sounds kind of like when you press the pause button half way on a cassette player for a half second.
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Or, perhaps a crinkle in the master tape at that point.
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Either of those answers are plausible. The glitch, Todd, occurs at around (3:25).
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eriejwg wrote:
| Or, perhaps a crinkle in the master tape at that point. |
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A tape crinkle would typically result a dropout, wouldn't it? The reason I figured "slip" is because it sounds like the speed/pitch drastically changes for a split second.
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Been many years since I worked with reel-to-reel tapes, but my experience was if there was a crinkle, it could result in the sound of a glitch. Or, if the tape was slightly stretched at that point, it could cause an issue.
Regardless, not familiar with the whole sound mastering process, but why would an engineer let a song go out that way? Are they on a timetable? Wouldn't they make notations that there was an problem with a song?
In radio, if we had a dub in from another station for a commercial on reel that had a problem, we'd call the station and ask for another dub.
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Beatles - Eleanor Rigby has one noticed that at about :14 seconds into the song, mceartney's vocal starts double-tracked for a split second on "el", and then just jumps to one channel??? i have heard this on the beatles "#1's" and the UK "Revolver"... mastering glitch or mixing error?
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I've always wondered about "Eleanor Rigby," but I figured that might have been how the original stereo LP was mixed. Did this mixing error not show up until CD releases? It's also on the US version of the Revolver CD.
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Frankie Avalon - Venus
On the 25 All-Time Greatest Hits cd on Varese Vintage from 2002, at 2:13 into the track, what sounds like a small mastering error can be heard, i'm not really sure what to call it, a small hiccup or something, there is just a small noise right at 2:13 for a split second, i'm not sure how something like that could've gotten into the track...this was only brought to my attention recently, i've owned this cd for 3 and a half years and this was the first time i ever caught this error...
(I gave this cd a solid 5 star rating on amazon.com, had i heard this glitch at the time that would've bunked it down to 4 stars, i think... but i wouldn't change it now, as i still think it's an otherwise top notch cd).
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aaronk wrote:
| I've always wondered about "Eleanor Rigby," but I figured that might have been how the original stereo LP was mixed. Did this mixing error not show up until CD releases? It's also on the US version of the Revolver CD. |
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Yes, all US Capitol stereo LPs of the 60s and 70s have that problem.
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jrjr wrote:
| Beatles - Eleanor Rigby has one noticed that at about :14 seconds into the song, mceartney's vocal starts double-tracked for a split second on "el", and then just jumps to one channel??? i have heard this on the beatles "#1's" and the UK "Revolver"... mastering glitch or mixing error? |
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I think this is a mixing error. It's my understanding that it is on the original master tape of the song made by EMI, and appears on all stereo releases of the song worldwide. The section that precedes this has double tracking, but it was supposed to be turned off before the song goes into that verse. The switch was apparently flipped a little late.
To my ears, when the double tracking re-appears around 0:32, it sounds like it's a split second late coming back in -- not as obvious of a problem as at 0:14, but still not quite right. Any time the double-tracking comes on or off in the remainder of the song, it is done much more cleanly.
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I just also listened to a copy of Whitney, and again, I'm hearing these same distortion problems. I can't tell if it's overmodulation or bad tape on just the vocal track. The music track sounds okay, though, so it would've been a problem with the multi-track tape before the mix down. On the full version, listen to the last two repeated lines "didn't we almost have it all." The quality is quite bad, IMO.
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Johnny Nash - Stir It Up: The hit 45 version on the Sounds Of The Seventies - 1973: Take Two CD (Time-Life SOD-14) contains a dropout in the left channel at the :04 mark.
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Todd:
Is there a way to repair the dropout in Audition? reason being, it's the lone CD appearance of the hit 45 version.
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John:
I've taken the audio in the right channel at the precise spot where the dropout occurs and pasted it into the left channel. It works pretty well here and certainly sounds a lot better. I can e-mail you a copy of it if you wish.
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Tremendous tip, Todd! I did the same and it's a seamless match!
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Really, Todd & Erie? I tried doing the same exact thing in that spot about two years ago (it's a trick I do a lot in spots like these) but it didn't seem seamless at all! The song becomes mono for about a whole second and then goes back to stereo and that sounds really weird, especially when listening on headphones! Can either of your send me an mp3 of what you did?
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Gordon, sent your way.
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You're right, Gordon. It does go 'mono' for a second. But, as Todd mentioned, sounds better than the dropout. I may need to tweak my edit a bit.
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I simply copied the right channel from the 0:04.640 to the 0:04.951 marks and pasted it over those exact same points on the left channel. It masks the bad dropout and I detect no "mono effect" since the pasted section only lasts for about 0.3 seconds.
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Is this a problem only with the CD copy, or does the 45 have the dropout, too?
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