Jaggerz - The Rapper

Pat suggested we start a new thread on this one, and since Tom brings some new info to the table, I'll be the one to start it :)

In the "CD mastering flaws" thread, Tom D says that his stock and promo 45s of Jaggerz "The Rapper" does not have the echo at 1:47 & 1:56. Jim mentions in a different thread that his stock 45 does have the "caw caw caw" reverb at these points in the song.

So, perhaps there is more than one mono mix floating around?

jimct wrote: Pat & Aaron: I have two stock copies of "The Rapper." BOTH have "caw-caw-caw" after the "coffee or tea or me" line, for 4 seconds, between 1:46 and 1:50. I would be happy to donate one of them to Pat (I'd LOVE to find a stock 45 WITHOUT that annoyance!) Deadwax on both of my 45s are simply "KA 502 A". Or I can forward a vinyl dub to Aaron for "research" purposes. I have NEVER been able to find a promo 45 for it, and I have looked hard. But I never heard the "caw-caw-caw" on radio in 1970, so I'd suspect it's not found there. I believe a previous poster stated that.

Deadwax on my promo copy? KA 502 A. Other dead wax markings: machine stamped "Sterling", handwritten letters LH right after it. I can also make out faintly machine stamped letter P on one side of the dead wax and the number 3 on the other side of the dead wax, also machine stamped. These markings (and sound recording) matched the stock copy i had (but my promo with the Sterling machine stamp is on polystyrene while my old stock copy was on vinyl and i dont remember it having Sterling in the trail out) but I no longer have that stock 45 as i got rid of it when i aquired the promotional copy (or it might be sitting in a box of 45s waiting to be disposed of...ill go through that box and update this post if i find that i still have that copy). On my promo, placement of the writings in the dead wax according to my picture below are as follows:

KA 502 A is at 9:00, the letter P is at 10:00, the number 3 is at about 4:00, and STERLING is at about 6:30 (lol). If you make the image bigger, i think you can see some of the markings, both my 45 and scanner were dirty so some of that shows up in the picture too.

I ripped my promo 45 and put it on my Angelfire website. Angelfire doesnt allow hotlinking so you need to right click and save the file to your computer in order to hear it. Clicking on the file normally will give you an error message:

http://www.angelfire.com/md3/tomdiehl1/Jaggerz-TheRapper-pro mo.mp3



Edited by TomDiehl1

Tom said: "KA 502 A is at 9:00, the letter P is at 10:00, the number 3 is at about 4:00, and STERLING is at about 6:30."     I knew I should've paid more attention in my Forensic Science class in college! Especially with a guy with his own TV show, Dr. Henry Lee, teaching me! I see ALL the markings Tom has specified on my stock 45. The "P" is at 10:00, but the "3" is at 3 o'clock, not "4", and the "STERLING" with LH written in is at more like "4:30", not "6:30", for what it's worth. I just listened to Tom's download - it is ABSOLUTELY not what is on my 2 stock 45s. Great job, Tom!   

Edited by jimct

Since we now know that two 45 versions exist---one with the echo and one without---should we eliminate the "LP version" comments for all stereo copies? Were there other differences between the 45 and LP versions, aside from the echo? If not, that would mean the stereo LP version is the same as one of the 45 versions (except the mono/stereo difference).

Thanks, Tom! I had already decided that the stereo version was the only one on CD worth having. The mono mixes currently available on disc sound muddy, most likely because the tape heads weren't aligned properly. By contrast, the mono mix on the vinyl 45 sounds crisp and clean.