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Posted: 12 January 2024 at 4:40am | IP Logged Quote kaqueno

hi guys, how are you? I would like to ask about Toto's
single "Stop Loving You", included on the album "The
Seventh One" from 1988.
The song features the collaboration of Jon Anderson (yes)
on choirs and without appearing on the US charts in those
years, it was successful in Europe and in some parts of
the world.
It was released as a single that year, with a duration of
4:29, which is the same length as the LP version.
However, the version released on the album does not
include Anderson's voice at approximately 2:57, but the
version released for the compilation CD "Past To Present"
from 1990 does have Anderson on backing vocals and on
vocals at 2:57.
There are no descriptions on Discogs, nor on 45 cat, does
anyone know if the version with Anderson is a remix, or
is it the single version and the one included in the
album is the LP without the voice of the singer of yes?
Can someone shed light on this song?
thank you


https://www.discogs.com/es/master/30672-Toto-Past-To-
Present-1977-1990

https://www.discogs.com/es/master/30772-Toto-Stop-Loving-
You


Edited by kaqueno on 12 January 2024 at 4:42am


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Posted: 28 January 2024 at 2:08pm | IP Logged Quote Todd Ireland

Hi, Marcelo:

I appreciate you bringing up Toto's "Stop Loving You", which I think is an underrated song that probably deserved a better fate on the U.S. charts. I did some research on the song, and it appears that Jon Anderson is consistently credited as appearing on the recording, including on Wikipedia. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to determine which version appears on Toto's Past and Present (1977-1990) CD (Columbia 45368), which you say differs from the one on The Seventh One disc (I don't own a copy of that particular title to compare). I'm actually surprised the Past and Present disc doesn't also contain the LP version, considering how the band's other Top 40 songs appearing on that CD all consist of their respective LP versions. I can only speculate that Past and Present must contain either the 45 version, an alternate version, or perhaps even a European version, given how the song achieved greater success in that part of the world. I'll continue to keep an eye out for additional details and will share any that I end up finding.
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Posted: 29 January 2024 at 6:06pm | IP Logged Quote kaqueno

Todd Ireland wrote:
Hi, Marcelo:

I appreciate you bringing up Toto's "Stop Loving You",
which I think is an underrated song that probably
deserved a better fate on the U.S. charts. I did some
research on the song, and it appears that Jon Anderson is
consistently credited as appearing on the recording,
including on
Wikipe
dia
. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to determine
which version appears on Toto's Past and Present
(1977-1990)
CD (Columbia 45368), which you say
differs from the one on The Seventh One disc (I
don't own a copy of that particular title to compare).
I'm actually surprised the Past and Present disc
doesn't also contain the LP version, considering how the
band's other Top 40 songs appearing on that CD all
consist of their respective LP versions. I can only
speculate that Past and Present must contain
either the 45 version, an alternate version, or perhaps
even a European version, given how the song achieved
greater success in that part of the world. I'll continue
to keep an eye out for additional details and will share
any that I end up finding.



Thanks Todd for your contributions.

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Posted: 30 January 2024 at 2:28pm | IP Logged Quote davidlg1971

kaqueno wrote:
The song features the collaboration of Jon Anderson (yes) on choirs and without appearing on the US charts in those years, it was successful in Europe and in some parts of the world.

It was released as a single that year, with a duration of 4:29, which is the same length as the LP version. However, the version released on the album does not include Anderson's voice at approximately 2:57, but the version released for the compilation CD "Past To Present" from 1990 does have Anderson on backing vocals and on vocals at 2:57.

There are no descriptions on Discogs, nor on 45 cat, does anyone know if the version with Anderson is a remix, or is it the single version and the one included in the album is the LP without the voice of the singer of yes?

Hi Marcelo, what's interesting is that for the parent LP The Seventh One, all the LPs and CDs I've come across credit Jon Anderson - whether his vocals are included or not. Here's a list of Toto records/CDs I've owned that include this song:

1988 The Seventh One US LP - includes Jon Anderson vocals
1988 The Seventh One US CD - also includes JA vocals
2004 European 'The Essential' 2-CD - no JA
2005 The Seventh One Japan Mini-LP CD - no JA (but the insert credits JA for vocals on this track)
2015 The Seventh One UK Rock Candy remaster - includes JA

I don't see a consistent rhyme or reason as to which releases include the track with JA vocals. One theory is that since Stop Loving You was the lead single from The Seventh One LP in Europe, released concurrently with the album, Columbia modified their LP track-listing wherever possible to include the 'single version' with Jon Anderson vocals, including the US.

Another theory is that they didn't have the contractual rights to use Anderson's vocals in all territories - such as Japan, where it hasn't been included, even on reissues.

Maybe someday we'll get the full story on this one.

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Posted: 31 January 2024 at 5:53am | IP Logged Quote kaqueno

davidlg1971 wrote:
kaqueno wrote:
The song features the
collaboration of Jon Anderson (yes) on choirs and without
appearing on the US charts in those years, it was
successful in Europe and in some parts of the world.

It was released as a single that year, with a duration of
4:29, which is the same length as the LP version.
However, the version released on the album does not
include Anderson's voice at approximately 2:57, but the
version released for the compilation CD "Past To Present"
from 1990 does have Anderson on backing vocals and on
vocals at 2:57.

There are no descriptions on Discogs, nor on 45 cat, does
anyone know if the version with Anderson is a remix, or
is it the single version and the one included in the
album is the LP without the voice of the singer of yes?

Hi Marcelo, what's interesting is that for the parent LP
The Seventh One, all the LPs and CDs I've come across
credit Jon Anderson - whether his vocals are included or
not. Here's a list of Toto records/CDs I've owned that
include this song:

1988 The-Seventh-One">The Seventh One US LP - includes
Jon Anderson vocals
1988 The-Seventh-One">The Seventh One US CD - also
includes JA vocals
2004 The-Essential-Toto">European 'The Essential' 2-CD -
no JA
2005 The-Seventh-One">The Seventh One Japan Mini-LP CD -
no JA (but the insert credits JA for vocals on this
track)
2015 The-Seventh-One">The Seventh One UK Rock Candy
remaster
- includes JA

I don't see a consistent rhyme or reason as to which
releases include the track with JA vocals. One theory is
that since Stop Loving You was the lead single from The
Seventh One LP in Europe, released concurrently with the
album, Columbia modified their LP track-listing wherever
possible to include the 'single version' with Jon
Anderson vocals, including the US.

Another theory is that they didn't have the contractual
rights to use Anderson's vocals in all territories - such
as Japan, where it hasn't been included, even on
reissues.

Maybe someday we'll get the full story on this one.



Never imagine that it could be a question of rights or
not to include JA in the credits, but it is a great
possibility.
David: Thank you very much for your contribution


Edited by kaqueno on 31 January 2024 at 5:54am


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