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Instead of wading through 5,486 pages of posts on the Steve Hoffman board to find an answer, I thought I'd just post my question here :)
I noticed Pat has entered the new re-release of 1 into the database, but the songs do not contain any "remixed" comments. Does that mean the stereo mixes contained on this new disc are identical to the standard stereo mixes, or does it simply mean nothing has been added/subtracted, and they are not significant enough differences to warrant a database notation?
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With 385 pages to wade through, and silly arguments about
Paul playing bass on "Hey Jude", you'd have better luck
with the official press release and website.
http://www.thebeatles.com/sites/onev2/index.html
http://ultimateclassicrock.com/beatles-1-reissue/
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Yes, I haven't paid too much attention to this release, since the promo
videos don't interest me. Everything I read suggested that these are
newly remixed versions, but Pat doesn't list them as remixes. That's
where my confusion comes in.
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I feel differently about the two video discs. Those are the draw for me. Having all the videos in one place is a great idea for a fan of the Fabs.
As far as the audio disc goes I have only listened to it in my car as I drive to and from work plus once at home. I do not hear anything I didn't hear on the first/original 1 release. However, this one seems louder to my ears. I know it's 2015, but is it too much to ask for a new release to not have added compression? I have not analyzed these with any editing software and don't have the tools to do so, but maybe someone else can confirm if they find excessive clipping on these tracks. I do know the first three songs are mono (She Loves You, Love Me Do and From Me To You).
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Santi Paradoa wrote:
| I feel differently about the two video discs. Those are the draw for me. Having all the videos in one place is a great idea for a fan of the Fabs. |
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Oh, yes. I definitely understand the draw, and I'm certain it's the main reason most fans would buy it. I'm just not a hardcore Beatles fanatic, and I have no reason to collect the music videos.
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| As far as the audio disc goes I have only listened to it in my car as I drive to and from work plus once at home. I do not hear anything I didn't hear on the first/original 1 release... I do know the first three songs are mono (She Loves You, Love Me Do and From Me To You). |
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Yes, from what I understand, the multi-tracks for those songs no longer exist, so any "new mixes" would have to be done using digital spectral editing. If they are going to the trouble of doing such editing, I doubt they would leave the track in mono, which would mean that these three songs are the same mono versions that have been around for years.
The first release of 1, as I understand it, did not contain any new stereo mixes (at least nothing newer than the 1987 stereo remixes). The Beatles website claims that the 2015 release contains all new remixes by Giles Martin and Sam Okell. So far, Pat doesn't mention that any of the tracks are remixed, and it seems like you might agree.
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From everything i've gathered from a press release, the
songs have been digitally remixed, and Giles Martin has
done a considerable amount of "correcting" things. Take
that as you will.
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Okay I took out the first/original release of 1 (from 2000) and listened to it then went back to this 2015 release and starting with track 20 (Lady Madonna) there is some noticeable instrumentation that you can hear on this new release that was either buried in the previous mix or just wasn't there prior. On the earlier tracks (once you get past the three mono mixes) what I hear now is vocals centered or near center instead of the lopsided stereo with the vocals only on one side of the mix. You really have to listen carefully and compare track by track to realize the minor changes.
Keep in mind this is the third time around for the 1 compilation and I only have the first and this third/most recent release. It is possible that the second release was tweaked and one would be able to hear these same subtle differences that I'm picking up on when I compare just these two discs.
After buying all the previous remasters and box sets that have been released in the past 20 years I would have never purchased this new audio disc separately, but since it was included in the set with the two video discs it's a nice bonus.
As far as Giles and his team remixing the music for this 2015 release I'm inclined to think that it's for the video clips that the sound was improved. There are three different audio mixes for the music videos including a 5.1 surround sound mix. They spent hours improving the quality of the video and audio, so that might be what they "corrected."
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I am certain they remixed the audio-only songs.
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I entered the remix comment as part of the CD title since all songs on the new release of 1 are remixed. This is what you should see in the database: "1" (2015 remix). If this is not appearing please let me know but it is what I see when I view the new entries.
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Pat Downey wrote:
| I entered the remix comment as part of the CD title since all songs on the new release of 1 are remixed. This is what you should see in the database: "1" (2015 remix). If this is not appearing please let me know but it is what I see when I view the new entries. |
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Yes, I do see it next to the CD title, but we've all been well-trained over the years to never trust what the packaging may claim. Your database and the input from the members on this forum are the only folks I trust as the authority on which versions appear on CD.
That said, I do think it would be helpful to note which songs on the 2015 release are remixed. For example, the first three songs are all in mono, and I would presume that there are no differences on these tracks, correct?
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Aaron, I am quite certain that all tracks were remixed,
not just some of them.
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The Hits Man wrote:
Aaron, I am quite certain that all tracks were
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The Beatles website says "new stereo mixes," yet we have three songs
in mono. It's not so clear if those three are remixes, especially
considering there are no multi tracks to work with. The other ones
probably are remixes, though. For database purposes, are these new
mixes similar enough to the originals not to warrant a notation for each
song?
Correction: only two tracks appear to be in mono.
Edited by aaronk on 10 November 2015 at 4:23pm
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Don't forget that "From Me To You" is not in the online database, but it is mono.
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Ok, then three tracks are mono :)
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aaronk wrote:
The Beatles website says "new stereo mixes," yet we have
three songs
in mono. It's not so clear if those three are remixes,
especially
considering there are no multi tracks to work with. The
other ones
probably are remixes, though. For database purposes, are
these new
mixes similar enough to the originals not to warrant a
notation for each
song?
Correction: only two tracks appear to be in mono.
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I believe they were remixed to mono again. After all, a
remix doesn't automatically mean stereo.
In a video I watched a couple of days ago, Giles Martin
hinted that he followed his father's wishes of what he
would have done better, and George Martin has always
insisted that the first two albums, at least, were
always meant to be mono.
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Just listened to The Beatles 1 (2015) and here’s my take on the remixing,
etc. (being a Beatles fan, and having read about and listened to a LOT of
their recordings and mixes I may as well!). When I mean “remix”, I mostly
mean the stereo separation is different from the “usual” 1960s mix, e.g.,
instrumentation/vocals not in the same channel (l, r, c) as before. I may
have missed some mixing fine details below, but this is what stood out at
me when first listening (as I am very familiar with the original mixes). Note
that I am mostly comparing with the original 1960s mixes and NOT the
Capital rechanneled crap).
first three tracks mono like always
I Want To Hold Your Hand - not really a remix, but the bass is a bit
nicer
Can't Buy Me Love - a remix: rhythm track is centre (was left) and
Paul’s double tracked vocal is split (was centre)
A Hard Day's Night - not a remix, but sounds a bit different, e.g.,
George Martin’s piano solo in the instrumental bit
I Feel Fine - a remix, the same remix that appeared on the
“Anthology” DVD: vocals are split as opposed to centre (as it was when the
true stereo mix (done 4 November 1964) first appeared in 1966 on the UK
LP “A Collection Of Beatles Oldies”)
Eight Days A Week - not remixed
Ticket To Ride - not remixed
Help! (LP version) - a remix: the same as what appeared on “Love”:
George’s lead guitar is l+r (was right)
Yesterday - not remixed
Day Tripper - a remix: instrumentation and vocals nicely spread (and
dropout at 1:50 fixed)
We Can Work It Out - a wonderful remix: vocals centred, backing
track left and organ right
(the above two needed to be remixed IMHO, as the lazy stereo mixes with
primarily vocals off to one side / instrumentation on the other were just not
that good)
Paperback Writer - a remix: reverb on the introductory vocals that
was not in any previous mix that I’ve heard, Paul’s lead vocal split (was
centre), backing vocals different and rhythm track mixed left/centre (was
left)
Yellow Submarine - a wonderful remix: different from the “Yellow
Submarine Soundtrack” remix
Eleanor Rigby - a remix: similar to the “Yellow Submarine
Soundtrack”, but with less reverb
(again, the “left/right” mixes of the above two just don’t cut it for me)
Penny Lane (comparing with the first stereo mix of the track, done 30
September 1971 which appeared on the 1971 German “Magical Mystery
Tour” LP) - a remix: keyboards and backing vocals spread (were centre).
The brilliance of this track really stands out in the remix!
All You Need Is Love - a remix: first mixed to stereo 29 October 1968
for the 1969 LP “Yellow Submarine”, it was also remixed on “Yellow
Submarine Soundtrack”. All stereo mixes still fade 0:13 earlier than the 45
Hello Goodbye - a remix: similar to the remix that appeared on the
“Anthology” DVD; very similar to the 1967 mix but the drum track is centre
(was left)
Lady Madonna - a remix: instrumentation essentially the same, but
Ringo’s drums are mixed much more forward, some background vocals and
handclaps spread (were centre)
Hey Jude - a remix: Ringo’s drums mixed centre (were left)
Get Back (US 45 was stereo (their first); UK 45 was mono) - a remix:
sounds wonderful!
The Ballad Of John And Yoko - not remixed (didn’t need it), but
sounds brighter/clearer (I can hear the individual instruments more clearly)
and has the ending drum (from the stereo-only 45) that was mixed out of
the original “Hey Jude” LP issue
Something - not remixed, but sounds a bit “different”
Come Together - same as “Something”
Let It Be (45 version)- a remix: piano more centre (was more left),
organ at 0:39 that was mixed out (or way down) before, background vocals
at this point right (were panned), Ringo’s drums heavier
The Long And Winding Road - slight remix: choral vocals slightly
spread (were centre)
I welcome proper remixes of all their left/right mixes that were recorded on
4-track (“Rubber Soul” being the prime contender), as well as new remixes
of the rest of their catalog!
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all tracks were indeed remixed.
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The Hits Man wrote:
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Are you disputing David's post above? Please note the first sentence where
he writes "first three tracks mono like always." This means to me that they
are not remixed. Unless they used spectral editing, they wouldn't be able to
remix those tracks anyhow.
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aaronk wrote:
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Are you disputing David's post above? Please note the
first sentence where
he writes "first three tracks mono like always." This
means to me that they
are not remixed. Unless they used spectral editing, they
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Since those songs
are two-track, "rebalance" would be an accurate term,
but, technically, they are still "remixed".
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The Hits Man wrote:
| Since those songs are two-track, "rebalance" would be an accurate term, but, technically, they are still "remixed". |
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"Love Me Do" and "She Loves You" exist as two-track recordings? Do tell where they've been squirreled away all these years.
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